Sources from within the Steemit platform have revealed that certain Steem Witnesses have begun targeting Blurt Witnesses who run nodes on both chains.
Blurt Witnesses are being pressured by Steem Witnesses to remove their support from Blurt by forcing them to either shut down their node on Blurt or lose their rank as a Steem Witness.
Could this be the reason behind the recent announcement by the @symbionts Team to deactivate their Blurt Top 20 Consensus Witness node?
In that post, @symbionts stated that:
Our expansion to Blurt was mainly fueled by a will to create bridges between communities and offer more ways for people to monetize their efforts. But things, unfortunately, did not end up as we wanted to, or were forced to not end up like we wanted to.
With further reading into the situation, again thanks to @symbionts, it appears that elements from within the South Korean Community, in particular the @upvu.proxy account which is controlled by @upvu, have joined in on this campaign. This account has become a major contender for political pressure within the Steem ecosystem:
In a post from @upvu earlier this week, it was stated that:
- Duplicate Witness Activities of Fork-chain(Added)
We fully agree with @steemchiller's suggestion on the Steem Witness Discord. Accounts with duplicate witness activity on a chain forked from Steem will not be eligible to vote. We want all Steem witnesses to focus on development on Steem.
@upvu.proxy 추가 계획 (@upvu.proxy Next Plan)(Add Rule, 2022/4/13)
Ironically enough, I warned everyone about this nearly 8 months ago on the 26th August 2021 in the following smartcast:
The Tino Take - Take 93
Steem Musings: The South Korean Takeover?
The question that all of my Sisters and Brothers within the Land of Blurtopia need to be asking themselves, especially those who are helping to empower the @upvu account here on Blurt, is DO YOU SEE THE WRITING ON THE WALL?
Agreed. I have also been warning in chats and stressed the fragility of Blurt as the "regent" account diminishes. Being naive wins nothing. Well done for posting this.
I think the big fight is not against blurt, but against freedom of speech. They don't like how it's so supported in blurt. That's why just like steem was attacked the first time and turned owned by we know who. They would like to turn blurt to that as well. I hope blurt community, most blurt witnesses will not allow that to happen. Otherwise, it will be very bad for blurt. Blurt will have a very big future if it will stand for its principles. I'm glad this post was posted by @famigliacurione. This issue should be discussed ! I hope this post will be trending !
I definitely have to agree that this is a battle for freedom of speech. And if those who are in power have a problem with the freedom of expression, then we have a serious problem because after Blurt, we may not have anywhere else to go with regards to Graphene blockchains. Thank you for the support!
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What are Graphene blockchains you already know. I would like to learn about them.
Blurt, Steem, Hive, DTube, EOS, BitShares... are Graphene blockchains.
Dtube is Avalon. The other ones are Graphene. Whaleshares is also Graphene. There are a whole bunch more, but these are the main ones.
Is Avalon not Graphene? I thought it was. 🤔
This issue was brought to the table months ago when the danger of these services was discussed......
It is not necessarily the service that is the problem, but rather the intentions of the account or group that can become power hungry. One of the major opponents of this kind of service (double-u), and the group that supported him, became drunk with power. The upvu account is showing on Steemit that its intentions are to influence the politics of the blockchain. It is only fair to assume that they will aim to do that here as well. It's actually quite hypocritical that upvu wants to punish Steem accounts for participating on Blurt, while it is also here participating. I'm not suggesting that we make upvu a villain, but that we are careful to choose who we support on Blurt, and that if the current leadership respects the freedoms of the Community, then we do our best to help those leaders remain.
This almost like a death foretold. but many of the majority ignored these, where it only said everyone is free to choose... When they saw the evil seen of this one against the VTS, but that is what nobody does not realize who is given power. Many opt for this service to ensure safe profits, when they have bad content. It's like you say many koreans are trending for this type of service, making many people who start n blurt discouraged, but no one sees these. Only when everything falls apart many of what they proclaimed was not bad, will they be saying that now it is.
But that's life, you learn like that when you fall, not from past history...
I think we are going to soon begin to change the trending page because we are starting to support more people who are genuinely wanting to help Blurt grow, so we will not end up like Steemit!
I'm glad to know this, that we won't fall into the same... So more users will be brought every day, to see that the trend is varied and constant...
How can we strengthen the "regent" account?
A simple HF can reset that account. there was a naive (IMO) expectation that we should become more "decentralised" but as we have now seen far too many times (not just steem) this is just a weakness that can easily be taken over by bad actors. Yes, this has been brought up a few times. Just needs the will to do it. The mathematics of so-called "decentralisation" doesn't work - they can all be taken over - so let's see if anybody can create a working model in the future. For the time being, having "distributed" witnesses should be good enough. Plus an open platform where any "good" new ideas can be discussed.
The only current way to preserve free speech is through benign rulership.
Sad, perhaps, but true.
Sad? No! It's a wise suggestion!
sad in that so many people bought into the 'decentralisation" promise, but all I can see are systematic failures in this area. Blockchains may be great at other things, but governance is not one of them.
Distributed systems still have utility even if centralised - ask DARPA ;-) or any central bank!!
I think people are fanatical about the concept because they so want to see oppressive, corrupt centralized systems torn assunder. So decentralization becomes yet another Savior archetype.
OK, but has nobody learnt what a failure "democracy" has become? all corporate bought puppets, with some more fascist than others. I think is more evil - is the encoding of corruption! ;-) The pretense of diversity under subtle control.
yup !
The trick is in establishing the right protocols (not comp code) to ensure the ongoing, benign admin. ...Which is tricky.
Lord knows how many shows I've done talking about this. It's more of an ideology than a reality on these platforms. Bitcoin is probably the only solid example of a decentralized system, as far as the technology is concerned... but in the bigger picture, individuals can no longer run miners, and eventually only large investors will be able to buy in. So on a planet of nearly 8B people, how many people actually have access to Bitcoin? Not so decentralized after all if it is in the hands of a small percentage of the world population.
I believe that decentralization is a "process" of dismantling an oppressive centralized system, so that a new centralized system can take its place. The idea of "fixed" decentralized governments or organizations is counterintuitive, and as you rightly say "can all be taken over".
How Blurt is currently being governed is really ideal! I just wish we would have started from zero instead of forking.
Bingo!
You're not the first to think that. As I said, forking is the easy part, getting the coin recognised without shelling out $$$ that a genuinely new startup probably doesn't have, is an issue. There are now cheap ways of issuing coins and setting up swap pools, but I'm not a fan of uniswap for anything long-term as that too can be manipulated by bad actors.
Even Bitcoin is just a POW coin and hence prone to 51% attack. Sure, that would now need a very large wallet, but my point is there is no algorithmic protection - what is mathematically possible will happen at some point. The "it'll never happen" answer is what I used to get from Steemians before the coup - the coup-logic was blindingly obvious.
I think there are far too many myths on these platforms; which makes it really difficult to carry on logical and reasonable conversations.
I also heard that China attempted the 51% attack but was not successful.
But bitcoin is not that private I guess. What can make someone in danger using it if that's a transaction they didn't like. What do you think about private blockchains like monero ? I'm thinking to move my assets there or to any private blockchain.
Most people who are genuinely concerned about protecting there assets go with gold, silver and Bitcoin.
thanks to the delegations.
The scheme is very simple, promise the delegates that they will earn 8 times more than the others and play politics with their own money.
Let's remove the delegations, because it is a scam, and now we see that it is a scam not only on a financial level
There are a few posts about this a few months back.
Delegating was not an original Steem function. Interesting post that announced it - the aim was to relieve whales of the boredom of having to vote! Let someone else earn money for them!
Looks like another one of those manipulations you mentioned earlier this week. The ones that do nothing but hurt the platform. Im for a clean and simple user experience here on Blurt. So that being said Im now in full support of either removing the deligation feature all together, or somehow blocking the formation and use of delegation APR services like UPVU. It s a relinquish of power by the individual for financial gain. Good for the individual on the short run, but like a parasite, it s destined to kill the host. Get rid of UPVU, let steemit and hive do stuff like that.
I would rather see the delegation feature removed, rather than getting rid of anyone. It's always better to learn how to co-exsist.
I mis-spoke. I did not mean get rid of the account, just the delegation system. But kind of the same thing, as the account only exists for one purpose.
I was looking closer at UPVU. It has 14 million blurt and quite a lot of users. What is down side of keeping this service?
What is the downside of removing it? I would hate to see users start selling 14,000,000 blurt onto the market if this is removed. Something that should be considered.
This would make sense if delegated rshares were not included in witness or proposal voting.
Btw, there's one thing about Hive that made me think that top witnesses / top stakeholders are not good folks: you can downvote a post, but you can't downvote witnesses or proposal. I think this is not just a bug...
Delegated Vests remain owned by the delegator, hence do not count on any witness votes by the delegatee.
The delegator would have to give proxy witness voting powers on top of the delegation.
Thank you, I did not know that , so in the case of upvu, there is no threat of a hostile takeover of Blurt (they have only 245 K BP and not asking for witness proxy votes)
How would you feel about also removing the proxy feature?
Wow, always lots to learn around here! So this means it would not be difficult to remove this function?
Then surely we would be much better off without it.
Removing delegations could be a good solution. A lot already played with that system and people always fall in the same trap by delegating their own money to who knows who. Just because they promise them of better APR. I prefer to earn that APR I earn from my own curation rather than trusting my money to someone else to use. Also, when someone curated content by his own, it's better for the platform and more newcomers will be supported instead of selling those votes. That's more healthy for the future of the platform. Interesting to see people so much excited about blurt and not thinking about long term future of the blockchain and how their big delegations may destroy everything built.
Exactly. Take a look at trending. Korean posts upvoted by upvu. No comments. Can such a platform attract new users?
Of course no. I haven't seen that trending page for more than a year for sure. It's like a laundering machine of money.
Interesting thread - I'm not sure where to butt in!
IMO would be great to take the lessons of the past 6 years, from when Steem was launched, and start again! This whole finsoc (financial socmedia) setup has some great ideas - it also has some really sucky ideas. The dilemma remains that money and socmedia will always converge towards the MONEY - even other platforms not graphene-based have suffered financial parasitism.
It would take a longer and separate article to go through a wish list of features, then analyse how they can be subverted, then also list which features are not wanted, then also see how the structure of the chain affects behaviour, in the sense that scripts have always been allowed but they also depend on how the API calls are structured.
Might be worth that discussion - if for nothing else, to dismiss a lot of myths - coz there are lots of those too!!
I agree! 💯
Now everyone can see with their own eyes that I, double-u and others were right when we were calling for the removal of the delegations from Blurt. Upvu is killing social aspect on Blurt, they only care about money
or they will see but very few who will agree, that both were right... That since they started against this type of services, but very few who will recognize it.
I am also in favor of the removing of the delegation feature. It would not harm the system; and would bring more power and freedom to individuals to be more responsible for their accounts and upvotes. I delegate for upvotes, but would not be upset if the feature were removed.
What is this upvu?
A powerful account here on Blurt, as well as on Steem.
Ok, thx for the info!🙏
Thanks for the support! 🙏
This you post speaks more in favor of blurt than the other blockchain. The decentralization and freedom of blurt seems to bother a bit. I, along with a team of great people, are working on motivating and creating more user interaction within blurt. Interest is growing, because they see an escape route. We are doing great, we will make it.
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That is wonderful that you are working on creating more interaction on Blurt; that's great. Decentralization is not needed on Blurt. All we need is positive centralized leadership.
I understand brother. But you know I find decentralization by choosing to eliminate delegations. Voting power would be in the hands of more people.
This is what I would love to see, as well! We should all be responsible for our own Blurt Power and upvote! I hope we can achieve this some day! 🙏
🤬 ! 🆔
This was FANTASTIC! You have an incredible voice and skill with speech!
Let's get you guys a BLURT Radio network going where we can bring talks like this to the forefront of daily discussions. @ultravioletmag is also an astonishing presenter who makes so much sense she needs her own show! Or you guys could be having interviews with basic BLURTopians... Thank you for this either way!
We're working on it, Bro! I need to sort out some equipment issues, and then WHAT THE B!#RT will become a regular feature, with as many voices as possible! Thank you for your kind words of encouragement! 🤗
Maybe we could do live shows on voice chat in discord and then get discord busier
Awe thankyou just saw this that’s so kind of you I would love to do something tbh with voice / video to fill a slot
Yeah upvu is huge but does not accept any more delegations .
People who delegate still have to post i believe , but they flowed the platform with only shit posts just to have the vote which is not great , beside that it is like farming votes which is the main thing in pretty much all the platforms beside Whaleshares.
In this case, it is not the shit posts nor the farming that concerns me, but rather the abuse of power.
So bad so not good. Will we ever experience freedom of speech on any platform? Whenever there is a new competition, those with big capital speak up. When you come in with a few million will you be the same troll? 🤔 Look at the upvu on steemit and their delegates. Out of curiosity I looked on upvu at blurt and it seems like they want to boost the strength of blurt but their last post was written a long time ago. One thing is for sure it is getting interesting. As my friend says it is a good sign that blurt is a good competition and knowing life, even more people will come from hiveblog if they do such downots from the ass.
I agree with everything you shared here! 💯
I'm experiencing a lot of freedom here on Blurt! 😉
Exactly, I too am experiencing a lot of freedom here as well 🙂
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then guess what, you win. Burt is the underdog in this 'fight' and people will see this as bullying, which it is. It may even push more people over to blurt?
Underdog stories are the best! And I agree that this will only push more people to migrate here. They are bullying Community Leaders, which is the worst kind of underdog to bully, because they can cause group migrations!
If indeed this information is anything to go by, then we've got serious problem on our hands to deal with. Blurt team should swing into action and look for a way to mitigate this. Blurt has a great future and should'nt be allowed to be cowed by steemit. Freedom of speech is paramount and should'nt be a yardstick in which a project like blurt be targeted over.
Kudos @famigliacurione for the update
I believe the entire Blurt Team is definitely aware of the situation by now, and have this under control. The only thing is, we lost a very good Consensus Witness and development team. I personally know that there are other Witnesses who have refused to give in to these demands.
I had a lot to reply on this so just made my own post on it if your interested.
I already read it, shared it, curated it with the Symbionts account and added my smartcast! I really appreciate you for the contribution! This is an interesting discussion! 🙏
Amazing post. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I'm very happy to see this. Blurt is finally being looked at like a viable competitor, otherwise they would not even care. Super bullish indicator for the price of Blurt and overall growth of the platform.
Absolutely 💯 agree!!! 😎 Thank you for your kind words! 🙏
That’s how I see it. They know that now this is a place worth being it’s an easy place for people to go to just skip away from their control methods, they are threatened
The users of hive and steemit which many of us once were....just need to know it's not a big deal to switch out their leadership and system for a better one.....by moving to Blurt.
Who needs to be married to a name and logo?
People need to understand that the leadership of these platforms are supposed to be servant to the layer one users.....aka, the masses, not the other way around.
people don't Coe because of the price. When I came we were earning way less now I have seen posts get up to 70 dollars actually and the curation is really easy to make money on now so it is getting to the point now we can do pretty well here if we just keep building, especially should the price double back to where it has been before. I think ppl are like oh I ll just tolerate the shit because ppl are earning so big on hive and I want to be with them but eventually living like that gets so shit and you slowly see them trickle over to here. Everyone has their point of thats enough, it'll come. If everyone just moved here on bulk then the price would be more than hive anyways and they could literally have 0 loses, it's all about power in numbers. Hive ppl defo feel threatened as they keep watching this platform and coming over here to talk etc, the best thing for everyone is people knowing about blurt, it changed my life I truly didn't know it existed and everyone on hive and steemit has an account here too just sat there. I think if ppl knew this was a genuine option it's just a no brainer to move unless your one of the elite circles suck up merchant who gets back hand votes. I just see them all as miserable ppl to be honest who's only joy in life is that platform and being in control of it.
Well said. Can't really add much to that. Other than it's common business and trading mistake to invest time and money on something with a current higher price even if it's heading lower. Than get in early and invest and build on something with a lower price that is heading higher. Then you factor in that half their earnings are locked up for 13 weeks at minimum. What will the price be of Hive in July? People are so near sited when it comes to money, business, and investing it's almost shocking. You, I, and many others here, will be handsomely rewarded for not being so short sided I'm sure of it. Hope you are healing up well, and having a great day!
they are shocked by how quick it's healing actually but It is still deep , I got a bandage on with one side open today, I assume to let in air and I couldn't help have a peak it's maybe a bit too gruesome for the public tho haha but in myself I am really well now can exercise again they said and I also feel back to myself and able to sit down normally the main issue now is just having to sit for two hours every day to wait for dressing change.
I really hope so ! I have hung onto other coins from pure loyalty and regretted it for sure lol, hive was one I should have sold at 4 dollars. I sold a few but a small percentage.
Good bro
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I'm not in steem but it's shame to hear that our platform is being targeted.
It is only natural, Akhi; when you build something beautiful, there will always be those who do not want to see it succeed. This only demonstrates that Blurt is being taken seriously! 😎
Exactly
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Welp... guess we'll just focus on things over here and leave steemit to rot.
I do not believe Steemit will rot, nor do I want it to; but I think it will just become a corporate platform for Steemit Inc. and the Tron Foundation. It will not become a good social media for the general public, but Blurt can! 😎
Wox community is nice other than that it’s just dead, tbh blurt is the only place I find interesting these days
WOX does have a lot of talented bloggers and artists, but I see it as a Cult of Personality which revolves around Xpilar, who although is very generous with his Community, tends to be power hungry. But I suppose this is undetstandable since Steemit's culture is oriented towards Corporate Capitalism.
that guy stood up to a lot of the hive cabal too
Yes, I remember, and he and I stood together through that ordeal, giving constant support to one another; which is why I felt betrayed, disappointed and offended when he failed to support my investigations into Steemsupporter's corruption when he was manipulating Steemit's Curation Trails. Why? Because he was Xpilar's partner and associate; and to this day, despite having his reputation tarred by that incident, Xpilar continues to team up with this psychopath. Never be fooled by the masks people wear online. WOX is a Cult of Personality where crypto beggars (not the genuine artists and bloggers) often shower him with unquestioning flattery and praise.
well thats true it's basically hoping they upvote you lol, which is nice but individually ppl don't have much on steemit rly. I don't think it's their fault the guy is rly nice and they encourage ppl to build their own vote etc but it's going to be ages before anyone can really take over the reigns there so it does just end up being all around if your lucky to get an upvote I agree. im always thankful when I get thrown a bone there tho haha
And this is why I consider it a culture for crypto beggars, because the wealthy enjoy easy rewards, while everyone else has to be content with whatever crumbs fall from the table. Here on Blurt, we do not have crumbs, but rather loaves of bread showered on genuine newcomers!
I agree totally, but it's just that kind of place they don't bother you so if you get thrown a bone why not. Hive is more nefarious in that that they try to force you to only beg from them lol
Steemit is a dead horse... ☠️
😂 Not just yet, but she will never really grow until the platform's culture changes to become more like Blurt. 😉
Personally I was numb from so much covert centralization of decentralization. I think that the key to this blockchain and my activation in it is because I feel comfortable and see that it is heading in the direction that I like. @famigliacurione
I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself on Blurt. It seems to be the sentiment of a lot of people here. I think there is too much focus on decentralization; it's become more of a trendy word to use in this kind of environment, but it really does not apply. What we need is good centralized leadership, and I believe we have that here.
Perhaps you are right in what you say about buzzwords, I follow different types of digital assets, Solana or Uniswap, for example, two different examples of handling things, the two work perfectly in completely different fields. I think the key issue is to maintain the essence of this type of content Apps, when Steemit emerged, all of us who started took care of our investment and our blogs until it began to degenerate, from those muds later mud arose.
There is nothing decentralised about hive at all. I don’t know how they rly dare use the word
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