I think EVERYONE would be ok with seeing a developer being paid however to make the platform better and continue to work, I don't mind a foundation but it HAS to be more transparent and fair than just giving huge sums of money to friends for projects that most people here probably don't think are useful at all, like paying for images etc when you can get them for a big upvote or an open competition or even.a stock site for a few $, if they really are paying huge sums for friends just provide one of their existing images thats pretty shocking to me. I think EVERYONE would actually agree to paying developers even more than they are doing and bringing on new ones. I want to trust these people but I am waning.
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I also know that developing is really expensive. And also I heard that graphene blockchain developers are not that many in the world. It's kind of hard to code or something. About transparency, I guess even in steem and hive, we can't know for sure how much those developers are paid. I don't know the reason behind that, but maybe they all prefer people to not know about that. I don't know. After 5 years on all these blockchain I understand now many things and still learning.
the developers and core team is one thing but friends being given money to make shoes and possibly just let their images be used for huge sums of money when they don't have the money to pay for needed developers or marketing is really off to me and I would love to see a list of where all the money has been given and to what projects so it\s not just hearsay but we can see for ourselves, even share holders get this right and blockchain is supposed to be more transparent, thats the whole point of it. I personally would like to see the community be able to make decisions on what money is spent where and see people in the community working hard given a helping hand to grow their projects outside of the money holders friends.
Do we have such transparency in steem or any other blockchain you know ?
To a point yes on steemit and hive proposals are at least publicly voted on and blurt is supposed to be an improvement. Right now it seems it’s just one person giving out money to ppl he chooses.
I don't mean proposals. They are usually funded and voted only if big stake vote on them. I mean how much developers are paid, how much they spend on frontends, servers and many other things they do.
I didn’t ask for that tho nor did anyone they are asking how much people are getting funded for proposals / users images being bought at huge prices and various other things. Haven’t seen anyone questioning development costs at all. Even hive and steemit have proposals that at least have the appearance of getting somewhat voted on by the community, even tho we know stake makes it unfair they could do a numbers based thing. Anything is better than just the site founder handing out money to some of his friends and no one knowing about It.
That's an issue, because if some people are complaining about some payment, if we will understand how much is going for developers, frontends, servers and maybe other costs, we will understand how much was left. And if the cost of all the needs is high enough, so we will understand that the money is not that big [I mean what left for those who had that money].
Also, we should understand the cost of needs of blockchain in case the other side win, that means they will hire new developers, they will need to pay them, maybe use other servers, create other frontends... etc.
The question in this case will be, will the cost of all those needs be higher or not ? In case the cost will be higher, so we will have another danger in the future, in case lower, I don't know. I hope I explained this well. I look at the big picture.
there isn't enough money for enough development, this has been spoken about by witnesses an number of times, so it's not like there is left over money. If everything was really flowing with blurt, the price was huge I understand throwing some money at shoe businesses etc but this is kind of crazy. My biggest issue is why are these things not given the chance to be voted on by the community rather than just MD giving money to his friends and why isn't there a transparent list of current proposals going on. It just really feels these days like this isn't a decentralised site in the slightest just one owned by MD where he decides who can post, have an account, hold blurt tokens in their wallet, curate and who can give money to friends to build whatever they want. Thats in no way decentralisation not even the pretence of it.
you can still break down how much is spent on developing without giving actual wages, although really on the blockchain everyone using it should be ok with being transparent about how much they are earning, I don't really see why people even believe in blockchain if they don't want to be transparent.
I think the best way to fund projects is crowdfunding. Where people donate to good projects.
The issues from my understanding is that not many programmers can program is C language which is what is used on the chain. So the ones who can are used to being paid more than normal programmers and sadly to my understanding the few programmers we have are not getting anywhere close to market rates as it is.
That's why @ultravioletmag many programmers left before. They preferred to work in other spaces for better money. But those who are staying are working here for the idea mostly, not for big money. Because trust me with their skills they can make much more of money ! But they are staying and that's a big respect.
When have I ever said anything about paying programmers though? I agree with that it’s necessary core work. Making blurt shoes and providing and imagine no one liked anyways isn’t necessary and things like that should be up for community vote not just done behind closed doors. I don’t know why we keep talking about developers when I’ve never seen in person question paying them
Because it's all related. If the foundation leave, that means a lot of developers will leave with them. But the other part are not providing any developers. How you imagine a totally decentralized blockchain with no developers and nobody working on it. I still don't know if they have developers to replace those who will leave, but from what I know I didn't find anyone talking about that. I also don't understand why no one is talking about that.
@ericet was also a developer here. I guess he left because he preferred to work on something else. And I understand him. You can see the tool he worked on, I think that's one of the explorers : https://ericet.github.io/blurtexplorer/#/ I guess still working because the foundation are the one who are paying, and working on it. I'm not sure about this. But it seems that they are handling a lot of operations on the blockchain, and without them the blockchain will not work, we will need other developers who will handle that. Look at their activity here : https://gitlab.com/groups/blurt/-/activity
I don’t understand your Argument because I never said about not having a foundation I said that I want a foundation that is transparent honest and works for its community otherwise it might as well leave I just hope for the best because any investment is screwed anyway if they continue to act this way and not be transparent, throw money at their mates projects, block witnesses from the discord, freeze accounts they don’t like and not involve the community in any decisions.
Transparency includes payments for developers, for frontends, for servers where all the images are stored. That's why when you say ''transparent'' I understand that like payments for everything including developers.
Yeah I mean don’t get me wrong I’m happy to see that as well because if we find out that someone is getting paid more than the going rate just because I’m mega drive’s friend that’s also not good for the platform we should be able to help and make votes and choices as a community. It might turn out that because they’re friend they getting a good deal and I think then everyone would be happy but you’re right it’s about transparency and communicating with the community this isn’t supposed to be a one man ship that’s not what Blockchain is about
I was told blurt was going to move over to a more popular language at some point
There has been some indecision on this, and it appears that they are instead focusing on developing some other projects and airdropping them to the community. We already had one (dig) and supposedly are going to get another for Gamestate.