Part 2 - The Real Threat of Community Hijacking

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It is good to see communities develop on Blurt. We have many nationalities sharing this space, and it is right and proper that they should create an environment where they can post and share in their own language.

What is not right and proper is that any such community feels it has the right to disrupt the platform and make threats against the people who are giving them that space. There is no assumption that every member of such a community is involved in such attempted hijacking, but everyone must be made aware of the aims and backgrounds of the ringleaders of this group.

The attempt to hijack Blurt is being orchestrated by a small number of accounts. It does not really matter how many humans are behind this - collusion means we can take them as one organism with one shared aim.

Accounts such as @ctime, @mariuszkarowski, and @mmmmkkkk311 are trying so very hard to endear themselves to a user base that seems to believe everything without ever double-checking. Who are these accounts? What is their history? Have Blurt users ever bothered to check the behaviour of these accounts on Steem and Hive?

Here, have a good hard look.

MK was a bid bot owner on Steem. For those of you who were not there, bid bots were a scheme whereby one could buy votes directly without any delegation. The schemes turned liquid STEEM into upvotes that were then paid out as SP and SBD. One could easily then accumulate more STEEM and buy more upvotes.

Because of the economics of Steem, this was a win-win for both the vote buyers and the bid bot owners, the vote sellers. The buyers did have to be careful not to overpay, but the bid bot owners were milking it. The term "raping the reward pool" became a common trope against the rampant use of these services.

@rycharde wrote about this at the time and was one of the few people to figure out that the bid bots themselves were not entirely to blame - it was the very nature of the economic model that made such services profitable! The bid bots were the logical consequence of the economic model - it was, in his opinion, the model that needed to be changed to make such services uneconomic. This did, eventually, happen although the change created new issues.

So, up to this point, MK is just your average profiteer, using the platform to maximise returns. Nothing wrong with that. But what happens next is more revealing, in that MK's ruthlessness in acquiring wealth extends to damaging other people as a methodology. He is not content to profit from the economy, he feels justified in ruining other users if that will gain him a few extra cents. This is pathological behaviour.

Now, Steem's HF21 changed the economic model radically. There are many articles on the precise effects, but one immediate effect was that bid bots became unprofitable. However, HF21 was designed to keep the whales in clover and keep their earnings high even without their bid bot incomes. The problem for the average users, was that not only were their rewards reduced, but they also were at the mercy of a newly created class of "free downvotes" that became used as strategic tools to further increase the reward pool for whale earnings.

HF21 was activated In September 2019. The bid bot vote buying party was over. And in December 2019, we find the hypocrite MK post that Don't buy votes for yourself or others. Thank you.. Why the sudden change in attitude? Vote buying was good; vote selling was even better for the likes of MK, and many other users.

MK then started a campaign against SBI, its members, and especially the owner. Read the few posts from that time and especially the comments. Exactly the same false arguments as used on Blurt. That the owner was a scammer and stealing profits from the reward pool - this from a bid bot owner who thought draining the reward pool for himself was perfectly legitimate. This is exactly what chronic liars do: they point the finger of blame at others and rant loudly for things that they themselves are doing!

MK has no scruples and no morals - he is purely guided by his financial returns. If this means screwing other people, even perfectly innocent users, then that's fine by him. They should all learn to obey his rules because his greed comes first. Do read the hundreds of comments that express the disgust users felt about this behaviour. In the mind of MK, it is perfectly fine to promote vote-buying when it is profitable for him and to then run a hypocritical campaign against vote-buying when it is no longer profitable for him.

Proof is here. Please read the whole thread, and especially this revealing comment. The admission that he owned a bid bot because it was hugely profitable. Also, an admission that his change of tactics was purely to protect his investment.

Again, for those reading this who were not on Steem at the time, the new reward curve moved steeply upwards so that large votes were worth proportionately more than smaller votes. This was thought to be an ingenious return to what used to be a parabolic curve, without being as steep. Also, each user had some "free" downvotes that did not drain their upvoting power. So the stage was set for whales to use both upvotes and downvotes as strategic votes, irrespective of who the victims were or whether they actually did anything wrong. The sum of all those free downvotes had the effect of increasing slightly the reward pool so that those inflated upvotes were worth even more!

This is the reason MK switched from being Mr Bidbot to Mr Downvote - purely and simply his perception that screwing other people would help him earn more money. This is not only evil but also deeply pathetic as the results of his actions alone would have made a very tiny difference to his own rewards. Such minuscule positives for him were worth wiping out the post rewards of many small accounts.

And it was almost always the little people because it would have been dangerous to enter a downvote war with any number of whales - that would not have been good for the MK business. Notice he very rarely posts, precisely to avoid getting flagged by others in retaliation to his own.

This is not a mere digression, but a reminder of why Blurt was designed differently; with a different reward curve and no downvotes. MK has zero power to downvote and therefore has to resort to his other tactics of malicious lies and accusations, backed up by his munificent upvotes to the impressionable users.

We haven't even touched on his activities on Hive. Before that, after a long campaign against SBI on Steem he suddenly stopped. Here is an interesting comment: "Please remove free downvotes, I want to turn on my bid bot and get back to vote selling business.." Wonder what prompted yet another change of tactics!? We shall let the reader figure that out. It was surely said in irony, but it actually holds a lot of truth, in that his profits in the New Steem would have been much lower, but still good enough to still operate there.

On 20 March 2020, Hive forked from Steem and retained the same economic model, so that MK still perceived of his free downvotes as a few extra cents to his great wealth. We see in this June 2020 post that all MK accounts continued to downvote SBI members. Please read the long comments again to get a good idea of the kind of person MK is. One comment by the @ctime MK alt is illustrative:"I'm sorry. I will not unfollow mmmkkkk's dv trail, unless I hear some voices from few other whales and community leaders."

So, the bullying of a program, the lies against the founder, and the destruction of innocent users' rewards would only stop if some larger accounts tell him to stop. Eventually, they did! More proof that the way to deal with a bully is to bully back - to make it no longer worth his while.

It's all about the money, but more than that, it is about abusive tactics to achieve whatever he can get away with. This long article demonstrates that he is willing to employ whatever tactics it takes to achieve his ambitions - unless stopped. Hiding beneath a veneer of legitimate voting behaviour is a rapacious investor who will screw you for his own gain.

As for the current situation, the tactics and smears are the same as used against the SBI program on both Steem and Hive. The important difference is that Blurt is a whole blockchain ecosystem, therefore the propaganda has to be more aggressive - the prize is larger. SBI had no token to manipulate and crash, and the program was saved by some supportive whales.

The threats from MK of powering down to crash the price are mere tactics to then buy even more BLURT at even lower prices - BLURT sold by the naive and scared users who believe his propaganda at face value. These are clear threats to the security of the chain. Think about it, why would anybody threaten to crash the price of coins just recently bought? What would that do to his profits? His demands that the foundation stops voting for witnesses is both insulting and proof of the ultimate plan to hijack the whole chain, this post shows a tally of MK's personal and community voting power, why keep a tally if you don't intend to use it for an agenda?

This is all sociopathic behaviour, is this what Blurt users really want?

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Accounts such as @ctime, @mariuszkarowski, and @mmmmkkkk311 are trying so very hard to endear themselves to a user base that seems to believe everything without ever double-checking. Who are these accounts? What is their history? Have Blurt users ever bothered to check the behaviour of these accounts on Steem and Hive?

I have been communicating with these accounts on hive for years now, i have even had arguments with them about onchain utility.

What mind of mindless nonesense are you suggesting here?

I am sure glad i sold all of this shitcoin, knowing that the developers of blurt have deminished me to being some kind of moron who cant double check a source.

I will think tiwce before posting on this bias joke website, i now see in the same cesspool of human ignorance as the hive developers, making ignorant emotional deicisions about other peoples financial freedom.

@logiczombie @frot @lucylin @practicalthought have you guys seen this horseshit coming out of the official Blurt account? (I could tag more people who have indirectly been called morons by the Blurt officials here, but you are most likely to respond with something useful.)

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Please. Follow your own advice.

Could you edit your posts please. My grandmother is here.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Fuck you and fuck your grandmother, tell her to get off the internet if she cant habdke unredacted free speech.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Nice.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

You are a faggot nigger beta male bitch, go suck a cock before your master catches you... you little weasel psychic leech, go feed off someone elses plate.

The crazy thing is I think you're both right.

You know most old people are pretty badass and they don't get triggered easily. That's because they are old and they've seen everything.

But like unredacted free speech it has a cost it's not actually free so let's jack up the transaction fees lots

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Yes, i was hopiing Blurt might be different, but it seems to have become another Hive...

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

lol another big cry baby dev like this is so fucked up i had mental episode over this online for the first time in years lol

I am a sociopath and guess i should just kill myself for being myself on blurt i suppose lol just kidding obviously....

I have not even read the above post, please see my most recent post. I will not code any modification to any account state at any time for any reason nor will I implement censorship of any blurt account at any time for any reason.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Dear Jacob, it is very nice to see that you are finally taking a stand.
I would have liked that when the German community left back then.
You would have been able to stop it, but you didn't have the time and probably didn't feel like the infighting.
I understand that, but as a founder you also have a certain responsibility and you unfortunately gave everything away for a long time....
I am very glad that your voice is heard now and I hope that Blurt will survive this crisis as well.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

...not only that - I'm now on the list of accounts (with the ones mentioned above)... - to freeze !...lol...seriously

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@megadrive/closing-time-for-ctime-fervi-dubious-apps-and-what-happened-in-the-witness-channel

Dear God what the hell did he really make a list of accounts to freeze? Okay well let me just tell you guys that's not going to happen that is not going to happen. we're not making lists of damn accounts to freeze. It's not going to happen now get on to moving the transaction fees up.

You need to speak with your team md is driving his platform into a wall, I’ve never seen anyone this bad with businesss decisions in my entire life it’s like platform suicide over and over. Jacob you actually seem to talk some sense please take the reigns for a bit a reign in your partner before he crashes this token down to 0 single handedly.

He’s also giving $700 to his friends to make sandals with a blurt face on, yet didn’t even bother communicating with a professional marketer who is @workd-travel-pro s cousin and worked with Disney and was happy to come in and help blurt at a low cost. Why is there no option for people to put forward proposals and the community to vote on them? The more I hear about how money has been spent on these random things it just seems like it’s md ‘s site and he’s paying his friends to do the projects they want to do it doesn’t feel like a community where people are asked what they want and things are put to a public vote. I’ve even heard that witnesses that mega drive doesn’t like aren’t allowed in the main witness chat, what is that about?

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Well its very obvious that @megadrive is a stupid fucking nigger and I hope he bans me for spamming nigger on everyones shitpost on this shit blockchain from now on.

I will be using racial slurs at free with with zero respect for this volatile platforms, i am so mad youre being cancelled here, i invested a lot of money into blurt and regret every penny of it, so glad i powered down and sold everything here.

@megadrive, i will be seeing you in hell you faggot little bitch, censor me more daddy.

Your use of what you consider to be a racial slur is not a good look on you. It's a shame that in your displeasure with the decision reached by megadrive and the witnesses on how to deal with the whale who has been attacking the chain for a good week now that you feel a need to belittle an entire people (race?) in voicing that displeasure.

I can only assume that since you state you view the term as one of a racial meaning that at times such as last night when the grandbaby who is 4 months old was over, or holidays when my house is filled with family that in your eyes I'm having a bunch of "niggers" over.

I've long thought that this handicap many seem to have where they view an entire group of people as such and such instead of offering the dignity and respect to judge on an individual basis was a reflection on the one holding those views and not those being viewed.

While I hate the current narrative that whites are toxic and evil, especially white males it has served as a compass for those of us on the receiving end of such a narrative to come to a deeper understanding on what it's like to be judged for the actions of others with a similar quality (in this case racial and cultural differences where applicable).

I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

That was an admirable dream that MLK put forth. It's a shame that so many, all of these many years later are still to immature and fearful to embrace such actions.

I believe that he is mostly just venting I don't think he is trying to use that word as an insult. Thank you so much for being a consistent moderating calm and thoughtful voice on blurt. Now I am going to go around and be not so super calm but I am going to strongly enforce my vision for blurt which...

Means we don't make lists of bad guy users.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Thankyou for being a constant voice of reason. 💚


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

You sound more like a suck up bitch by the day, wash that brown nose.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

if you only support speech you agree with, then you don't support free-speech



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I view differently I guess. Supporting anothers right to their speech doesn't negate my own right to contrary speech, doesn't subjugate me to being silent.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

well, i was somewhat concerned when mega talked about blurt being "family-friendly" in his interview

have you seen the first episode of "the boys" season 3 ?

it's a show owned by amazon

just imagine if someone posted that stuff on hive or steem or blurt ?

way worse than frot or lucy

they would get insta-banned

but amazon is somehow "considered mainstream" and yet can produce and distribute this stuff to viewers world-wide

what the hell


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I haven't watched any interviews. I dislike videos and can rarely watch them when presented to me. Nor watch much TV either, lol.

Some time back Blessedgirl brought her daughter to Blurt, and I cautioned my worry that her daughter would be possibly be exposed to things a young girl shouldn't be. Her response was that she would be monitoring her daughters actions here.

That is how a healthy family structure is conducted that allows the adults to be adults and the children be the children.

There is a lot of filth being pushed from mainstream everything right now, such as some time back the cuties show Netflix was making. The response was a drop in subscriptions and a tarnishing of their brand. No one told them they had to stop although they were really close to a pedophilic line from what I heard and the few screenshots that were posted with the commentary on it. Folks voted with their feet (eyes) and wallets.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

My reputation here is now worthless anyway, i dont want to contribute anything meaningful to this shit hole place that is going to attack people i follow

Theres less than 5 people who i even want to be on blurt to read the content off, 1 of them is @lucylin and I have taken off the gloves this time if they are going to start censoring, i am going to say nigger in every single post not too establish long term damage to rhis blockchain, knowing they cant cansor it entirely, i will show people how pathetic and poibtless censorship is. .. it can not stop me saying anything and my reputation is no longer a concern if we are censoring (soft or hard) anyone for any reason.

The content of my character is now an enemy of the state of blurt...

Anyone with 2 brain cells will see i am using the slur to attack the idea of censorship on hive... i dont care what someone says about their feelings, their brain will see what i am doing.

(I used hive above confusing this place with the same negative stimga from hive...)

Trying to censor me... give me the example of apo level bans on blurt, and this website is fucking done.

Have you ever thoughtbof the concept of gamifying hate speech to coerce an admin?

Welcome to the hell i make for censorship loving faggots.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Please. You are kind of embarrassing dude.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

No actually, no one who knows me woupd be shocked to see the way i reacted...

I exploit peoples insecurities in arguments because i am a sociopath... i cant change who i am, and your faggot nigger leaders are saying they want to cancel people.

I dont fucking care what anyone thinks, you can all go right to hell if you think i care about your little faggot emptions...

I am here for freedim of expression and this is clearly not the right place to be if you want to be free, magadrive is a fucking clown who wants to moderate and i didnt get into blockchain technology for some beta male little faggot to moderate me.

Hey he's right You're making yourself sound stupid, if you want to maybe just like use the word fuck and not the word nigger, you know what I mean?

The word nigger just has an ugly history, and it's kind of cool the way that it has been reclaimed in hip hop culture and stuff like that, but like come on, you know what I mean? Oh and by the way, I absolutely defend your right to say the word nigger on this platform. I don't like it, I don't even like that I'm using that word, but you can you can use any word that you'd like to.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

if you only support speech you agree with, then you don't support free-speech



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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Lol :)

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

if you only support speech you agree with, then you don't support free-speech



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  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

Very True. I absolutely do not support hate speech. Period.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

then you don't support free-speech


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You're crossing all your limits.


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I do t have any limits, i am not a washed up slave like you, fuck off.

You want to see limits crossed, this is nothing... this is day one of me showing people on blurt they can not censor anyone.

If they ban me at the API level, this blog is doomed forever just like steem.

I am not doing this becauze some faggot named @megadrive thinks he is god king of blurt.

Once this faggot nigger bitch is gone, we can all continue using hive in a respectful fashion.

I will say what i want, when i want thanks.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Why do some people just derive joy in dooming people's project.

Your comments here are disheartening and demoralising.

Once this faggot nigger bitch is gone, we can all continue using hive in a respectful fashion.

Learn to create yours or atleast support, not destroying.

If they ban me at the API level, this blog is doomed forever just like steem.

Btw, steem is still doing great, pls don't let your hatred for peoples project belittle your sense of reasoning.

Regards.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I was hard censored on steem you fucking dipshit, go to hell

Hey there I would recommend that you chill a bit okay?

I remember! People don't understand that every action on a blockchain is the result of a source code. What the code allows is allowed. The code is controlled by a witness consensus. Witnesses are chosen by stakeholders.
At Blurt, we have a situation where witnesses are controlled by one person who uses a "printed stake" do do it

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Its too bad we cant easily litigate them for false advertisement when its a time based payout, what if i dont want to read their bullshit dev logs and use the service as I originally signed up for, i guess fucking not...

Please don't be stupid. Every similar-ish lawsuit has gone nowhere and it's basically because well, blurt is run by the witnesses and it's coded by like actually I don't even know who these days but I know that there's a team on it which delights me.

Let's get down into serious matters, thank you. Here are the serious matters. Absolutely no account balance modifications. Absolutely no censorship. Absolute freedom. Absolutely people should pay more to post here so they think a little bit more about it before they do so.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

who exactly is the "one person" who controls blurt with "printed stake" ?


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

They are astounding me with pathetic logic.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Which is why i spammed racial slurs so they know how we feeling, the way they are thinking is like yelling nigger at a brick wall, it will not accomplish anything...

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

If it says free speech on the tin, then free speech it is, and it does, so it is.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Shhhh Wait for it, got this.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

well, i was somewhat concerned when mega talked about blurt being "family-friendly" in his interview

have you seen the first episode of "the boys" season 3 ?

it's a show owned by amazon

just imagine if someone posted that stuff on hive or steem or blurt ?

way worse than frot or lucy

they would get insta-banned

but amazon is somehow "considered mainstream" and yet can produce and distribute this stuff to viewers world-wide

what the hell


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Will be curious to see who else has the balls to upvote this post and risk the loss of the powerful curation votes.

For those of you who are afraid of losing that vote, reflect on what good those votes have been as daily the value of Blurt has been attacked, and likely will drop much more as the hard line in the sand has now finally been made.

I gave an upvote and did a reblurt, everyone should read this crap and understand how deep in the sh* we are, thanks to our founding father.

I think the shit most of us might be in is dependent on your continued actions.

You had a couple of valid concerns regarding plans and transparency. However, you have done nothing but charge forward like a bull in a china shop destroying whatever may be in your path with insinuations, allegations of criminal activity coupled with your own admission as I pointed out shortly before this post on price manipulations.

It has become evident these last several days that you have coveted being on the top of the stake hierarchy calling the shots yourself. You even made the feel good claim I called out shortly before this post was made on how their stepping aside was for we the people when in a stake based system the way you are advocating for we the people are under the heel of you the whales. You would have us replace a known solid structure with one that is unknown.

Unknown as the times I have asked you specifically what your plans for structure and stability were always met with the structure you sought to replace would just keep along running the structures they currently administer.

Your miscalculation in all of this was on a couple of fronts. First, your approach was to aggressive. You immediately went on the offensive and never let up. Second, you had no plan for how a transition would occur, no plan for if the outgoing power would step away entirely.

You didn't even think what would happen if they would pull a Hive on you if successful as was done to Justin Sun. I stated when this shit all began that if they were forced to fork away from this I would go with the fork. I suspect a good number of folks would have.

Even here, in your reply to me you reveal a certain disregard for Blurt as whole because of your disappointment on a personal level.

I think that much like double-u you took the silence and patience of the Foundation as a weakness. Understandable as I prefer a quicker resolution myself, and find that allowing things to draw out as with the VTS war and again here only serves to encourage the attacks and dis-ease that spreads as attackers grow emboldened.

It appears that the ball is now back in your court. I hope all eyes are watching closely to see if you will now seek to destroy the community you were just hours ago proclaiming to champion as needing the power. Gotta tell you though. Many of us have already been here through some pretty low fractions of a penny valuations.

Hi, yeah we have definitely been here in the world of prices before. It sucks doesn't it?

But it's real I wonder how much blurt I can get for what I have sitting in my wallet?

this will be interesting then I'm going to delegate it to practical thought

Yeah, when I came here it was because I was inspired by yourself, after Mr. Cornell edified this chain to me. The prices then were so low, fluctuating at 4-5 for a penny. The energy here was so awesome when I came, and despite not many natural English speaking folks I was welcomed with such kindness and respect I knew I had found my place.

The energy here has changed so much in your absence.

this will be interesting then I'm going to delegate it to practical thought

I'm humbled as I was with the first delegation that you gave to me. I've been blessed by your generosity as have those I have built a community with.

Thank you.

I think the shit most of us might be in is dependent on your continued actions.

I have a problem with some of your interpretations. For example these accusations of price manipulation, don't I have the right to sell what I bought when others are selling printed coins? Do you really think like megadrive that I want to destroy blockchain? Think I have more to lose than you and megadrive has more to lose than me. Was what I did so far (the curation) not even voting on own posts (except for the last ones) as megadrive describes sociopathic behavior? I understand that the price drop is depressing, but don't let that hide the facts

I noted that the sudden price drop coincided with the initial post by double-u. When he mentioned to another that they were assuming he had sold his Blurt, I suspected his involvement.

But as time has passed, and I saw one day where there was over *3000.00 in velocity as the price tanked even harder you began saying things about your observations in selling dropping the price. You also began mentioning how you could push the price back up, mentioning a figure of 25k to do so.

It's evident there is manipulation taking place on the value. You have been charging through here during this entire time on a constant attack mode, openly discussing your observations of personally dropping the price and how you could make it go back up. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

don't I have the right to sell what I bought when others are selling printed coins?

You do, you can sell whenever you want. Where things might get legally dicey however is if it appears to be done for manipulation purposes.

I'm not going to label you as a sociopath, but I do see a lot of self serving manipulation that has been a non stop press since the double-u post from you. And as with selling, you have that right. But we do have eyes.

  • a normal days velocity is lucky to be 500.00 and has been a fantastic day if it hits 1000.00
  ·  3 years ago  ·  

You are a shit Sherlock, give it in, you fucked up not him, you and your bumboys in the foundation of paranoia

Ah, And tell me why I sit for three days almost non-stop on this blog? If I wanted to sell everything I wouldn't tell anyone anything to get as much money as possible

Doesn't matter if you tell or not in regards to the price you will get. The markets are already telling as we have seen the valuation flow to its current place.

Genuine question though is freezing someone’s account legal? I would imagine that’s against the law to withhold someone’s funds? Even if given the time to power down that’s like someone buying shares then being forced to cash them out when the markets really low. What are the legalities here?

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I would imagine that’s against the law to withhold someone’s funds?

I would ask you to reread this post. No ones funds have been withheld, nor been threatened to be withheld. He was told to move his property from the wallet within 40 days. I was reading more from those chat logs and it appears that even if one was denied access to the wallet front end that the Foundation runs, if one understands the coding thing one can still access their funds that way. Now for most of us that would be quite a daunting affair, but I'm guessing not for MK.

Let me ask you your thoughts on a scenario.

Let's suppose you got married. To the best guy in the world. You brought a little more to the table than him, but that didn't matter. It was love.

He talks you into getting a house with him. You have better credit, so he has you finance things. For a good future and all he says.

Soon after your finances are tied together (here in the U.S. it is treated somewhat like a business contract) he begins calling you out of name. Telling everyone you are whoring around on him. He gets mad at the drop of a hat and breaks shit around the house as he berates you.

You decide you've had enough of his shit and want him to go. After all, in retrospect you realize that you brought most of the possibilities to the table. Due to your credit and better choices in life. Yes, he did put some sweat equity in the fixer upper house, like putting that new roof on. Rewiring that basement.

But yeah, you have had enough. And the longer you are together, you realize he will get more out of you, out of this partnership that is abusive to you and drains from your work effort to his benefit.

What are the legalities of you forcing a cash out and separating yourself? Do you have an ethical position to seek such a separation, or are you stuck with him because the time isn't perfect for him to go?

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I do not know everything about this argument, nor could I hope to but I can say since I have been here @ctime @mariuszkarowski and @mmmmkkk spelt wrong but same guy anyways have been amazing curators. I have seen them literally curating a variety of great posts by a variety of bloggers every day. I would say they have made this place much better, without them I am seeing great posts by really involved bloggers are getting like 50 c and how many of those ppl will stay around now? It's not that people don't like blurt but people do need to generate income and I doubt they will be spending as much time as they have if it doesn't even pay for a coffee every day. I haven't really seen anyone else with big votes doing what they have, I've even seen many just giving upvotes to selfies with a blurt logo on a lot of the time. I think the place will be a lot less inviting to a lot of ppl without those accounts. Maybe they were not perfect but I believe there are better ways to go to keep people happy and form an agreement in the middle.

I do not know everything about this argument, nor could I hope to but I can say since I have been here @ctime @mariuszkarowski and @mmmmkkk spelt wrong but same guy

I have explained that in my post (I have no intention of defending myself from nonsenses and conspiracy theories by megadrive and hivewatchers)
https://blurt.blog/decentralization-day/@mariuszkarowski/d-day-countdown-and-now-an-ending

I haven't really seen anyone else with big votes doing what they have, I've even seen many just giving upvotes to selfies with a blurt logo on a lot of the time

The official accounts of the so-called foundation upvoted very often accounts like blurtbot which is additionally paid by the foundation for running social media accounts.

I believe that the so-called foundation does not have the rights to use "printed funds" for upvoting because it impoverishes the investors who invested real money in BLURT and bloggers like you who are not getting upvotes from them

I don't know about the inner core issues, people who can look into things a bit more on the blockchain will need to do that, but from simply watching and observing you guys have given people who I really believe work hard on this platform and post good quality content upvotes to help them stay motivated. There are a lot of people with big voting power who I see just voting the same old small group of people constantly irrespective of what they post. I really believe without these three accounts many people would have left by now. I even suggested accounts not getting decent rewards for their quality content and these accounts stepped up to the plate.

For my vantage point here were the options being presented to the community. Neither were great, but one had a high likelihood of costing us the entire community.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/rdsynl

well thats pretty much the same, because your then forcing someone to take money out at what might be a loss. I know people who got compensation from a stock company because of an error so they couldn't pull money out when the market then went down. I am not sure with crypto if it is legal or not, which is why I am asking but it would absolutely put off anyone thinking to invest. If I had gotten a good lump sump to play with I would have considered buying blurt with it actually as I felt it was a great community and a lot of potential, I would now never dream of it, if wallets can just be frozen. I can't see these kind of threats attracting potential investors. But hey thats just my opinion.

marriage is a bad scenario example really, a better one would be something like binance just freezing someones account and emailing them they have 3 days to get their money out or thats it it's gone. When it comes to marriage I personally believe unless you have children with someone both have had an equal chance to make money and should just walk away with their own shit unless they actually bought stuff together or one actually offers the other some money and then you can of course take it with a glad heart. Personally I wouldn't want to take someones else's money they had earned unless they actually wanted me to have it, would rather just walk away as I went into the connection, but thats me. If someone bought a house with someone without designing a prenup or sorting this stuff out first then they will pay the consequences I guess.I have already looked into trust funds and the legalities of marriage/asset sharing etc in advance of marrying so I know what the law is. I would want to make sure things were legally in my favour then if I choose to share something with my partner it comes from my own good nature, not because I would be forced to under any circumstances. In the uk you do not actually even need to be married, you only need to have moved all your stuff in with a partner and you can be required to keep them in their current lifestyle. There are things you can do though to ensure that your assets are protected and I believe anything you had going into the relationship is yours anyways. If people are going to split the mortgage but one puts more in than the other you have to know thats shaky ground and really should do something about that in advance and get some paper work drawn up. There is little point in thinking about it after you break up, then it's for the legal system to decide if you can't agree.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

impressive


Posted from https://blurt.one

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

It wont be me, the accounts tagged as a risk are part of the community i interact with.

The dumb ass who wrote this, will not be seeing a penny or a vote from me, i will also be keeping my Blurt power near zero while my friends are being cancelled on this piece of shit blockchain.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

It's too confusing. I wish I had more time to play.


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

I like all kinds of things if they make a fair point, part of it I resonate to but other bits I don’t, it’s just well written. I don’t have to agree with all of a post to like something and share it, maybe I just found one paragraph interesting. It’s just the way I am. I can like something jsut because I pick out bits of details even if the whole rest of it doesn’t resonate.

I can find bits on Phils comments I resonate with even if I don’t like the general tone.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Bitch pleASE
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No it's just not that big of a threat. It is a proof of steak mechanism so if somebody can assemble sufficient steak to launch what is being described here as an attack, then according to the rules of the protocol, it is not actually an attack.

Now, is the protocol broken? Maybe. We deal with lots of that in cryptocurrency and it sucks. Trouble is, on this one I don't have any better solution other than to say that we need to raise the hell out of fees. They should be 10 times what they currently are.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

it is not actually an attack.

exactly


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Not all Robots are Evil.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

In my opinion, blurt should be listed on large cryptocurrency exchanges such as Binance and Upbit first.

The threats from MK of powering down to crash the price are mere tactics to then buy even more BLURT at even lower prices - BLURT sold by the naive and scared users who believe his propaganda at face value.

Just as a curiosity, and not a suggestion. With this kind of threat, wouldn't it be possible to bring the price down to such a low point that it would no longer be possible to gain from this Power Down. For example, if a group of accounts with sufficient liquid Blurt sold it off now and then placed an order at 1 satoshi, those Powering Down would have to accept 1 satoshi per Blurt. Those who sell high and buy low get much more Blurt, and those Powering Down get nothing because you can not go under 1 satoshi. Just an idea! It would seem to me that the number of people Powering Down will soon bring the price to it's lowest point, and the large stakeholders will be forced to either sell very low, or wait very long for the price to go up again. Doesn't seem practical, nor logical, nor profitable! 🤔

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Keep posting your quality content on blurt.blog.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

If you just ban @lucylin all these problems will be fixed...

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Hey now, I want idiots to be allowed to use blurt.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

That is always best...

😂👍


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

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You should contact the real Blurt Fundation, I'm sure they can help you. Not sure what they will do when they find out that someone is using their registered trademark

© THE BLURT FOUNDATION CIC.
REGISTERED IN ENGLAND AND WALES. CO NUMBER 07628600.
REGISTERED OFFICE: ROOM 4, PLATINUM CENTRE, 2 BROOK STREET, TAVISTOCK PL19 0BN

https://www.blurtitout.org/contact-us/

... pretending to be the Blurt Foundation and selling 'printed' BLURT, (coins that were not purchased).
I think the only reasonable option for you and the other three people from discord chat room, from which you ban witnesses who have a different opinion than you is a escape into full decentralization and call yourself Blurt blockchain dev core rather than Foundation. These are just my thoughts, you'll do what you want

Take the glory instead of potential lawsuits. Be the second blockchain developer in history to decentralize their product

(to be precise, I'm not saying yet that I'm filing a lawsuit )

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I am.

I hope one of them is from the US, ctime will have easy job to do

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

We will see, if it takes a week so be it, hope they all paid tax, this is going to be fun, I hate suck ups and weak people, they are so easily found, game on, maybe we need a disco or email chat, like they do hey.

I have a discord.

retymia#1285

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I do not do discord, shady shit happens there, I do email [email protected]

I hate suck ups and weak people

That's true, but this Hivewatchers-run "mind" will never understand that. Strange thing about the other three members of the "foundation" they are so quiet.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I am going to be quiet for a week, already made plans, got legal advice too, wait for it.

I made an intentional decision to kind of just sort of step back and watch what happens here

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

That is a very good idea.

See this is positive, constructive criticism. We need more of this.

No, this is an "attack" and "hostile takeover" lol

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Well, typically when you have questions or problems with someone you try to speak with them directly about your problems. Why do so many people attack Founders in a Public Forum ? I have witnessed many public attacks here on Blurt. It is very ugly to watch.

Even if you only have 1 BLURT, you have a right to know what is going on. That's why I don't like these dicords where a group of people make decisions behind closed doors. This is confirmed by the last scandal, they banned witness @fervi because he disagreed with them

Hey there, yeah I pretty much agree with you that people do have a right to know what's going on but no I don't think that they have a right to know like every conversation between people at all times because well sometimes we discuss really really stupid shit that probably shouldn't be published because it was stupid and we didn't realize it was stupid at the time. So that's why for example I would never release the DM conversations that we have had because half of them are solidly stupid, another 40% are just okay and 10% were gold.

This is normal if you think about it

Hi there we definitely definitely definitely never claimed to have a foundation thank you we have no idea what the hell else to call our loose partnership thank you

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Very Interesting.

Are you the one that placed the “ cease and desist “ on Hive ?

Https://Hive.com

Why do you want all Graphene blockchains to fail ?

Seriously.

Why not work with people rather than against them ?

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Dear God no

So you went through the whole story of how I fought bidbots and sbi and you didn't understand anything? I thought you were a little smarter.

His demands that the foundation stops voting for witnesses is both insulting and proof of the ultimate plan to hijack the whole chain

Same old paranoia, buying a BLURT printed by you is an attack on you and the blockchain? Have you lost your mind? Do you think the stakeholder has no rights in making decisions about blockchain and choosing witnesses? Instead of writing idiocies answer a simple question which I asked you already three times:

Is Blurt Foundation a registered foundation? Does it have legal status?
https://www.blurtitout.org/

No answer, instead personal attacks...

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Are you not also using bidbots ? autovote ? Upvu ?

Are you also @ctime and @yvonne-b ? Using @upvu ?

Why are some allowed to use auto vote bots and others are not ?

Why do you try to control how people earn their crypto ?

It is all. Very very strange.

I have 1,000 more questions for you.

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Oh boy! you got me! I have also 127 other accounts, check out #decentralization-day tag lol It is not a crime to have 127 accounts

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Oh boy ! But you are using bid bots, auto votes and Upvu ? When you command that others do not use them ?

If you have time, please read all of my comments from that time because megadrive only chose the ones that he thought put me in a bad light.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I read all of them. I was shocked to see you downvoted a young child’s school project… for no reason other than you were using a downvote robot. A Bid bot, auto vote, vote bot. This is wrong. I saw no apologies….

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

So the kid had a school project with a real use case example of a bad use for a downvote, and you let them cry about it instead of explaining the logic and reason behind the event?

Seems like the kid learnt something, i have learned a lot about human nature through the virtue signalling of a downvote.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

perhaps you've never heard of hivewatchers or steemcleaners


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Yes, I had problems with both of them.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I followed that morons advice to become a Blurt whale on Robinia Swap, it was such a horseshit ROI my friend nicknamed it Robin-ya Swap...

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

It’s the hypocrites that people don’t like. If you use autovote, vote bots, hundreds of alt accounts, self votes etc. …. let others also use them. Stop making people feel guilty about earning a little $$$$

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I was neutral with Blurt, until i read this bigoted horseshit.

I have argued with you, we have even downvoted each other for weeks in a bug disagreement over polish content lol, but here i was happy to see you, as I am not some little bitch who has my tail between my legs like the developers of blurt and hive both do, when their dog whistle is virtue signalled.

I came here for civil discourse, not some pacified cry baby developer log... I like what the did about preventing spam on blurt, but thats litterally all the have acconplished here.

Even if this was a hostile take over, you woudlnt even be getting anything lol you could copy and paste this dogshit code and just pump and dump the shitcoin hours before payout cycles... like all the other clowns on the hive engine lol

Thanks for giving me a new target for scathing critique, whatever you did with YOUR MONEY, THAT DOESNT BELONG TO ANYONE ELSE ESPECIALLY THE BLURT FOUNDATION, surely exposed a rat hole of serpents here...

I wont tag yet, but i even faught some controlled opposition here, playing into supporting your side of the argument. Can you see what i see?

P.S. look how small my vote is, it reflects my trust in the platform...

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Question : Are these just one person ? @ctime, @mariuszkarowski, and @mmmmkkkk311

Or different people ?

What about @double-u and @yvonne-b ? Are they One person ? Using @upvu ?

Or just coincidence ?

Maybe it’s all just a coincidence ?

I’m so confused.

We believe these three to be the same @ctime, @mariuszkarowski, and @mmmmkkkk311 or closely related with the same intent.

What about @double-u and @yvonne-b ? Are they One person ? Using @upvu ?
We suspect that @yvonne-b was used by Double-u to bring back funds from the exchange at the same time he allegedly sold them and went straight to supporting the very bid bot he was against.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Fuck sake prove iT sherlock shithead holmes/#. Speculation you honor, DISMISSED

Hi there Mr jerk off, I heard that you're a jerk off 🙂

There will be no cancellation here I'm going to run around with fire until that's the case

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hi, I have to live up to my name 👍 I respect you a million times more than megagobshite and his drones, and insults, and stupid ideas.
Thank you.

I'm sorry it's probably not a good idea to make lists of this nature and thank you

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

C time talks differently to mmmmk

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

How so ?

Can just tell when he comments, I think ctime is different to mmmk and an independent, but could be wrong. I think Yvonne is one of these guys though, or linked to someone and not an individual account.

Maybe Yvonne is double u or something

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Wow. I had no idea bout any of this.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Thank you, your post has been upvoted by @blurttribe.

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Thanks for this informative post!
I never got afraid or worried for the price.
Your stability is more important to me.
You have developed a lot and you will.


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

It's all about the money

for you

If I came here for money, I would be doing selfvoting like paid by you troll is doing
https://blurt.blog/decentralization-day/@mariuszkarowski/paid-by-megadrive-s-so-called-foundation-troll-at-work

Reasons why I left Hive
https://peakd.com/hive-171498/@mariuszkarowski/sciana

Hey there I hope you will comment on my recent posts and give me as much feedback and information as possible on your situation and thank you also I would like it if you would please please lobby witnesses to raise fees, I would say at first by about 10x.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Although it must be listed on a large exchange, blurt can grow. If the blurt waits like this, it will become powder and disappear.

Thank you for this information

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

funny you neglected to mention @themarkymark and his highly profitable bid-bot @buildawhale

if you add their downvotes together, they top the current charts

https://hivealive.io/untrending


Posted from https://blurt.one

@buildawhale hasn’t sold votes in like 3 years and I was one of the biggest supporters to end bid bots despite running the only ethical bid bot that blocked spammers and plagiarists.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

Hey, biggest HIVE downvoting POS on the planet! You still haven't answered my questions:

Let me get this straight... You (@themarkymark) personally downvote hundreds, if not thousands of accounts, together with your POS buddies, to minus reputations over on Hive, driving hundreds if not thousands of bloggers off of it and thus censoring the entire platform to protect your reward pool?

Is that correct?

One example is my account: https://hive.blog/@networkallstar/posts

The damage that you and your DF buddies @thevil, @enforcer48, @solominer, amongst others, caused JUST ME (and my curators) is at about: 4380 USD (Hive usage for the next 3 years - I was making about 4 USD per post - one per day)

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Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

ok, and how much money did you make before you decided to quit ?


Posted from https://blurt.one

No idea, everyone was selling their vote. I just did it more ethically than anyone else.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

what is the basis for your personal code of ethics ?


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

what is the basis for your personal code of ethics ?

That dumb POS has no ethics... He ruined hundreds (if not thousands) of bloggers accounts causing hundreds of thousands of dollars damage to the victims... People that built up and depended on that income...

He is the scummiest human POS, that I have ever seen on planet blockchain social media!

Hive is going downwards... That place is mindcontrol capital and DF Marky is their mayor...

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Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

i wonder what would happen if splinterlands decided to run their own blockchain


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

That would be the end of Hive.. The problem is that Splinterlands is running on the Hive blockchain and can't just move on with 1 mouse click....


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

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No one wants back to your downvoting 9 circles of hell buddy... 😈🔥 Why don't just FO back to where you came from you downvoting POS? 🖕

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Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

I was the only bid bot to ban my best customers (spammers, plagiarists, etc) where other bid bots gladly took their money and gave them votes.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

Why don't you just FO, you dumb POS.... 🖕

I simply love it, how @newsflash, @xeldal and @enki are kicking your dumb butt over on Hive...

That truly satisfies me!

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Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

It's funny you think it has any real impact on my life.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

it seems like somewhat less of a "sacrifice" considering you weren't even keeping track of your profits


Posted from https://blurtlatam.com

That makes absolutely no sense. I can look up what I was making, it's all a public blockchain but it's not worth the effort to figure it out specifically to answer a comment.

Out of the 100+ bid bots, not one by mine would blacklist people or deny votes to the worst authors on the platform as it would impact their profits.