What do you think about Auto voting for blurt?
@sabion On the Witness chat he mentioned such a feature recently.
As most of you know the positive side, I will focus on my doubts here.
I have mixed feelings about auto voting. On the one hand, sometimes there are situations that you can't, you don't have time to vote, but on the other hand, auto voting leads to a situation that when you post, you have the impression that we are surrounded by bots.
From my experience on hive and steem, I know that users do not engage, then they interact with content so often and activity decreases dramatically. As for my impressions as a blogger, they were very negative.
I also have a writer friend who has written several books and also publishes articles. For some time he was on Steem, then on hive, but among other things, the fact that votes were cast automatically, which entailed the fact that there was often no real activity, discouraged him from the platform.
After all, the blogger is looking for attention that could, for example, translate into the sale of his books, courses and other products that he promotes, not just those few pennies from votes.
Now on the blurt one can feel that we mainly get votes from users who at least glanced at what we wrote or at least about the topic in writing, and that's what every author wants. After the introduction of auto voting, I suspect that, just like on hive, the activity of some users will decrease
If anything, auto voting should be a premium feature for an extra fee or something. So as to discourage from using this feature if we don't really need it (i.e. if we are going on vacation, for example).. Really determined or all voting services will run the bot anyway.
After all, it's nothing wrong that if someone doesn't vote, they don't distribute the prize pool and don't earn. If, on the other hand, someone does not want to vote, but only to make profits, there are still delegations.
On the other hand, the delegation does not allow you to vote for exactly those people you want to support.
I invite you to the discussion.
Co sądzicie o Auto votingu dla Blurta?
@sabion Na Witness chacie wspominał ostatnio o takiej funkcji.
Jako że większość zna pozytywne strony to pochylę się tu nad swoimi wątpliwościami.
Mam mieszane uczucia co do auto votingu. Z jednej strony czasem są takie sytuacje że nie da się, nie ma czasu głosować ale z drugiej auto voting prowadzi do sytuacji że wrzucając posta masz wrażenie że otaczają nas boty.
Z doświadczeń na hive i steem wiem że użytkownicy nie podejmują, wtedy tak często interakcji z treścią i aktywność zmniejsza się radykalnie. Jeśli chodzi o moje wrażenia jako blogera to były one bardzo negatywne.
Mam też znajomego pisarza który napisał kilka książek i publikuje też artykuły. Przez jakiś czas był na Steem potem na hive ale właśnie między innymi fakt tego że głosy były oddawane automatycznie co pociągało fakt że często nie było realnej aktywności, zniechęcił go do platformy.
Bloger szuka przecież uwagi która mógłby np przełożyć się na sprzedaż swoich książek kursów i innych produktów które np promuje, a nie tylko tych kilku groszy z głosów.
Teraz na blurt daje się odczuć że w głównej mierze dostajemy głosy od użytkowników, którzy przynajmniej zerknęli na to co napisaliśmy albo przynajmniej na temat wpisu, a tego właśnie każdy autor chce. Po wprowadzeniu auto votingu podejrzewam że tak samo jak na hive, aktywność niektórych userów się zmniejszy
Jeżeli już to auto voting powinien być funkcją premium za dodatkową opłatą albo coś w tym stylu. Tak aby zniechęcić do korzystania z tej funkcji jeśli nie jest nam naprawdę potrzebna (czyli jeśli np jedziemy na wakacje).. Naprawdę zdeterminowani albo też wszelkie votingowe serwisy i tak sobie odpalą bota.
Ponad to przecież to nic złego że jeśli ktoś nie głosuje to nie rozdziela puli nagród i nie zarabia. Jeśli z kolei ktoś nie chce głosować a jedynie czerpać profity to są przecież jeszcze delegacje.
Z drugiej strony delegacja nie pozwala głosować na dokładnie te osoby które chcemy wspierać.
Zapraszam do dyskusji.
Autovote is great for when your sleeping and your Voting Power is sitting at 100% doing nothing while you sleep
... I love Fanbase on https://hive.vote and Steemit Autovoter …. https://worldofxpilar.com
It’s the best way to earn thousands of dollars in crypto while you Sleep.
This is the Ultimate in Passive income… that many people seem to hate …. Ha ha 😂
Set it at 98% and forget about … make hundreds of crypto a day. Steem, Hive, Blurt etc etc etc
yes i know these tools... passive income and so on, the point is that the network becomes dead and when the network becomes dead, it becomes even more dead and this means a complete lack of REAL capital inflow and earning on it because what, for example, such FACEBOOK pays billions is the answer to the question of HOW to engage more attention of users so that they are more often exposed to advertisements, interact more often with the profiles of those who pay for the promotion and more often visit their stores and other websites.
And autovoting for me is a voluntary waiver of the attention of users and readers that we already have here for Printing Blurts without cover.
Why no cover? because without attention there will be no people who will pay for blurts ;]
And this is how you passive income wil be over time:
Yeah. I try to only use this tool while I’m sleeping. I am very active on all 3 platforms.
Maybe it can only upvote if the voting is stuck at 100% for more than 24 hours ? It’s better if an account is upvoting rather than not. What good is it to have Blurtpower just sitting there doing nothing.
well in my opinion if you're going to vote automatically it's better not to vote than to vote. because it simply discourages voting by hand. Why should I spend my time manually voting when someone else gets the same reward for drinking coffee and eating cookies on a show?
The second thing is how it is said, the authors feel that they are writing to the wall and get discouraged, the third is that we all get in the pocket as more and more blurts are made. And a situation like autovoting is usually used by scammers and people who just want to DRAIN the platform with the lowest possible effort, i.e. the worst kind of users who lead every project down.
The solution is simple - autovote when your voting power reaches 100% and only on the last post from your feed.
this way every time you log in, your VP will be > 98% so you will be able to vote manually
yes, if the voting trial was limited to voting only when BP reaches 100% for the first trending post, it would certainly be a slightly better solution. In this way, after someone's activity for at least a day or two, the autoupvoter would not vote. However, basically anyway, you could go and ignore the blurt and come back only to claim prizes.
Second weld, do we really need to print these blurts? The more there are, the higher the inflation. If the user does it manually, we know that at least he "paid for it" with his attention, which translates into a lot of different benefits and opportunities for the network.
Currently, inflation is 9.01%. If I am not wrong this number cannot go up. And now:
Vote Yield estimate (100k BP) = 19.7% APR (-0.3)
If all BLURT were powerd up and used to vote on posts, Vote Yield would be 9.01%
This is the conclusion: large accounts such as blurtbooster, ctime, upvu.... benefit from the fact that small accounts do not vote
This is why I think that an auto voting tool that works on the principles I mentioned is needed. It would allow for a fairer distribution of reward pool funds
https://blurtlatam.intinte.org/blurt/@rycharde/blurt-economic-indicators-20-november-2022
Ok, it's math and Tokenomics but I'm talking about other factors that I think are equally or even more important:
Creators of quality content don't care too much about 5-10 bucks per post. What they are interested in is, for example, 2,000 followers regularly visiting their blog every month, who take interactions to, for example, will buy the products they promote, click on their advertisement or leave feedback so that they can consume the attention of others. The best ones who keep following them earn a few thousand a month, although they write, for example, 5 - 10 articles.
These are the people we want to have because they will keep many of users on blurt who, apart from activity under their posts, will also be recipients of other services, and clients.
For me, the situation is simply that we want to cook dinner by burning down the kitchen.
On hive, the decrease in user activity was felt very strongly after the introduction of voting tails.
The second thing that discouraged users were, of course, downvotes, but I'm afraid that the lack of the first ones may not help much here.
Jedno jest pewne, że jeśli mój Fed zacznie smrodzić komunikatami a tam same boty jak na hiv których nie miało być, a jest 2 razy więcej, to Blurt idzie do kosza. Zawsze ewentualnie nowy pomysł do dołączenia społeczeństw- patrz to kolejne g....o niszczy interreakcje i podejmowanie własnej decyzji przez lenistwo....
Wracając do auto czy ma to znaczenie, jak już są stosowane? Czekaj przecież... kuratorka jest tu soczysta, więc trzeba coś zrobić jak zawsze w imię dobra...tfu naszego no nie. Ostatnio trafiając na nowe, powstałe platformy widzę, że bardziej skupiają się na zakup tokena niż farmienie i auto. Jak już to możliwość wykorzystania mocy np.do 20% premium a dla zjadacza okruszek do 50% i do ustalonego osiągnięcia mocy tak żeby obalić te wszystkie opłaty nie wiem, czy tu ma sens, bo flag nie ma a nadużywanie mocy nie istnieje.
As someone who writes and also spends a lot of time manually curating I think automatic votes would water down the community and like you said take away further from interaction. I think a lot of things that were wrong with HIVE and Steem is that there were so many bots. Lets keep blurt real.
As Marius says, it's all about the nuance. If it's only used to stay just under 100% and the rest is manually curated then as a blogger I understand it and see nothing wrong with it.
If the whole process of an account is based only on auto-voting then as a blogger I see no point in it except to bring disillusionment and discouragement to real author, which then for me falls into the same case as the curation trails, nothing worse than receiving 500 votes simply because 500 accounts follow another one (example of Curie on Hive for whom you can't even take comfort in the reward given their low value hahaha). Moreover the trail is even worse since it doesn't even reward the account that does the curation work but just takes advantage of it.
The last solution, the delegation to some manual curation groups (Several to avoid concentration of power) in exchange of a portion of the reward (10% for example to allow the curation group to grow and structure itself) remains, for me, the best solution when you have 0 minutes per day to allocate to curation. It brings support and recognition to the author by a recognized curation group and visibility to the people consulting their daily/weekly curation reports. But like the auto-vote solution, if misused, it can create much more harm than good.
the point is that when they do it, it will rather look like hive or steem.
Well, I would say that this should be a paid function and, for example, for each vote cast automatically, then a % commission should be charged, which goes to @null then if you have no other choice, it will make you happy but there is pressure to do it manually. especially if you have a lot of money invested and, for example, these few % is a difference of several hundred dollars a month for you.
No, against the automatic votes, then we are going to lose all the real interaction that we have on the platform. I really don't like automated votes
Because of the auto-voting only of my acquaintances, 35 people left the Hive platform! These were very talented people, photographers and artists, who have very high popularity and recognition in their countries. Something like this. Auto-voting is a step back, about 25 years.
Exactly the same are my observations and experiences.
I was scared. I thought you were a spy who came here to destroy my favorite social network! Thank God! This is not true! Thank you very much.
Where does this idea come from? :D
In Germany we say: Die Mischung macht's.
It is the mix, that works... My opinion... and that of the German saying... ;D
Good afternoon. Personally, I am categorically against auto-voting. Why turn Blurt into Hive and Steemit? Do you need an experiment?
Just checking this out now. Thank you for respecting my privacy in the witness chat...but let be known that It's me who has been pushing for this service. As I really can't do anything with my operation reach out project unless there is a simple trail follow feature.
I see your points about auto vote and auto post even....That is fine, it makes sense.
As far as automation and this being similar to bots.... for what I'd like to do is having the account with the trail behind it be a manual voting account that's just been amplified by the support of the community. If you go back to my operation reach out post... You can see that I mention using this vote power in a very specific and concentrated way.
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@world-travel-pro/launching-operation-reach-out
I believe if there are vote trails designed to support certain projects, topics, or communities, this is a very good thing. If you lay down an argument of well...it's going to be abused and people can't be trusted......
Than that is fine too. I'm just trying to help the platform, which equates to more free work from myself going into Blurt. So maybe it's actually better for me personally if this gets shot down. Leave up to the community at this point. Thanks @khrom for taking the time, apparently you really care about the direction of Blurt and what you believe is best for it. So thanks for taking the time and sharing your thoughts on the matter.
you know what basically i didn't really analyze all these comments yes i generally saw that the idea of autovoting came up and i wanted to bring it up publicly and express my doubts. On hive and steem, I was mainly an author and blogger and the only thing that came to my mind was this image when you post there and after 15 minutes you get all these votes from the machine, and then everything freezes basically for a week and you even feel that the blockchain is humming emptiness and not a living soul there. You see the same in other posts as well.
I really wouldn't want such a situation here because when I came here, I just felt pleasantly surprised that despite the fact that the Polish community is only 3-4 people, the activity of people of other nationalities and general activity was 10 times higher here with a much smaller number of users.
I like automation and I am learning how to automate various things as a programmer, the point is that this automation should serve something good and not something that in my opinion automation should never be.
I think you've been sitting on this mega private secret witness chat on discord for too long ;)
@megadrive doesn't trust people this is his main life trauma to work through. And since Blurt is largely his work and is created by his team, the whole project is imbued with what it represents. It also reaps fruit. If you don't trust people after a while, things happen that start to make you believe that, because distrust breeds distrust.
People can be trusted. People cannot be changed. You can't expect them to be different than they are. They are who they are, if you want to achieve something with them, you have to come to terms with what their strengths and weaknesses are and use those strengths and accept the weaknesses.
Your project will then be the result of all these possibilities and limitations. It may not be as perfect as you imagined, but it will be FOR people and it will work and serve everyone.
Otherwise, if you don't want to go this way, you'll have to act like a tyrant and introduce murderous rules. Go over the dead, block, ban, ban, order, censor and lock yourself in private chat rooms, where you and others will bathe in your sauce and slap, repeating how much others are untrustworthy. And also how with a heavy heart you had to freeze the account again to another "ungrateful" who didn't understand anything, twisted everything you said and sowed FUD ;]
The choice is always ours, but only one of these ways is developmental.
Good to know what you think. But I really don't know what my project has to do with @megadrive. I've never even had one word with him or any witness before making that project reach out post and simply requesting an easy to access vote trail feature.
Given what you lay out, it's probably best I just go back to writing travel posts and stuff. Thanks for your input it's very much appreciated. Also interesting how you deem yourself qualified to label and identify @megadrive's main life traumas. Maybe you can tell me about some of mine next time, I'm feeling kind of left out. lol Anyway, it's all good. First half of your response was spot on, second half....not so much. But that's okay, I'd still share a perogie with you any day of the week. ;)
Look, it wasn't my intention to discourage you. Honestly, I don't really know what your project is exactly. Honestly, I didn't even read your statements well, I only saw in the development plans written by sabion mentions of automatic voting and that was my motivator. Therefore, your nick was not included in this article because I did not associate it with you.
Nothing, i just say that you can trust people and i have the impression that after you said that people cannot be trusted, you got the mood from the witness chat where it is said that people allegedly twist everything, so there is no point in communicate with them and discuss anything.
I read what he writes, I see how he acts and what direction he takes. Of course, I don't know if this is his main trauma, but I can see that he clearly has a problem trusting people.
I'm not going to judge anything here, I was just reading a private witness chat and that's the impression I got.
well in my opinion that is something with kindness? :D very often you emphasize this feature and pay attention to it. Something might be up ;)
I like the idea of a premium feature.😃