Transaction fees

in blurt •  2 years ago  (edited)

Hello friends,

I think that it's time to dramatically increase transaction fees on blurt. I think that the per transaction fee should be sent to one blurt, and that the per kilobyte fee should be sent to maybe five blurt. This may cause transactions to become too expensive, if that's the case, we can always reduce transaction fees. You see the transaction fees are there as a safety mechanism. I have had various people come to me recently and express great concern about different matters on the chain and I want to make it extremely clear that I will absolutely not permit at any time any modification of account balances for any reason because that's just not cool.

That is not a piece of history we are going to repeat on this blockchain at any time for any reason.

Now, there are all those messy questions about graphene consensus. They are real. That's why we have transaction fees.

Jack them fees up! Way the hell up!

At that point, people pay to post, their post has a cost, this will improve the quality of content on blurt. People will hesitate to a greater degree to post vile filth. People may because there is a cost, take a moment and think and then post. I'm not sure if anybody ever considered or really listened, but I'd like to see it cost a dollar to post here.

But I don't think that we get to a dollar right away. I do think that increasing the fees improves things, and quite a bit.

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I don’t mind playing and testIng out various coding that applies to everyone. Try it and see what happens, maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t. I don’t mind people playing with code and seeing if it makes the site a better experience, What I don’t like is one person deciding who gets frozen, assets stolen, removed etc. There is a mute button for a reason that no one seems to like using they just cry that to md that someone hurt their feelings and he panders to them and makes a mockery of this site. It’s quite frankly embarrassing to watch. These people want this else they would just mute and move on but notice they NEVER use the mute button because they secretly like the attention and creating this drama and they are crashing this site.

A lot of us came here because we didn’t like a small bunch of rich people dictating who could get any rewards or engage on a platform, now we just have one person doing it! This person is also driving off all the biggest investors. In only a few months I’ve seen 4 of the biggest account holders and investors being chased off. What on earth is that for business sense? Does md want this platform to fail ?

We have no way to vote on or make proposals properly yet Md is paying his friends 700 dollars to make sandals and no one has been asked? I’ve also heard that opidia was paid a huge amount to use a photo that no one even liked for various reasons. Is this true? We need more transparency and please make the proposals something people can vote on democratically so it’s not just handing money to friends. This is really not what Blockchain is about. I’m really glad you at least seem to have a voice of reason here, pleAse step up and in before this token is worth 0. A lot of us hve invested a lot of time and or money here and to watch one person drive this platform into the ground is really depressing. A lot of us came here with high hopes.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

@nabeeel is someone I met recently, he did make an open post requesting funding for the Blurt slipper business, we discussed internally and funded him, if every $700 spent went under community discussion it would result in endless discussion. I really don’t think it’s fair saying a poor Pakistani guy who just got a hand up is only getting it because he is a friend or something.

We also helped fund adding Blurt to ecosynthesiser and joinblurt.com among other things.

There is misinformation about opidia, she provided the cover image at no cost, she has never been paid anything by Blurt Core. Also note the “investors” you speak of were left alone by me and Blurt core, they each had agendas and started manipulations and propaganda and were responded to accordingly, you can see Double-u had no concern for the community on his way out as he rage tanked the price, everyone knows this.

Real investors generally work with the community, not try force agendas with their stake.

I disagree on proposals it should be put to the community vote to some extent otherwise it’s a back hand deal. @world-travel-pro said his cousin who did advertising for Disney was interested in providing services at a really good rate yet no one ever followed it up. We mentioned it to numerous witnesses and she offered to have a call with you or a witness and she came on and made a post and was totally ignored. Now I understand if someoen chatted with her and decided it wasn’t the right movement and didn’t want to do anything with her but no one even bothered talking to her. Yet someone is given 700 dollars just to be given a hand up. Sorry but that’s charity not blockchain. Decisions like proposals should involve the community imo and not just one man deciding who to give money to for various personal projects. I heavily disagree with this kind of thing, it is not fair and does not support blurt as a community. You discussed this most likely in private with him and handed him blurt tokens, if you feel sorry for someone you could give them your own blurt from your own investment. If you think it’s a really good idea for the platform and will really help blurt let the community vote on it.

I’m not only blaming you for investors leaving there is always two sides to a story but I don’t think you have helped. These people make the platform useable for people since they curate good posts. I think there are better ways to handle and deal with people bringing a lot to a platform than freezing them because you can’t agree.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

I supported both you and blurt but seeing this and some other things lately like this freezing list has really made me lose all trust. You can’t deny you speak to this guy personally and you just gave him 700 dollars to do something through the back door essentially and no one else can get any proposals through at all or have a say in it. I thought the whole point of Blockchain is that it’s a community platform not one man with ultimate power and decision making. It is not difficult to make a page of proposals that community members can vote on and would not be endless discussion at all. Maybe only things that hit 60 percent yes get discussed by the team. This screams back door deals otherwise.

It is unfortunate that they now only see the consequences of an action done. They are so blind to the issue in question. If those accounts didn't do anything wrog no one wouldd talk about them. It is better for everyone to be objective and call a spade a spade instead of paying allegiance to the highest bidder instead on standing for right and refuting wrongs.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I’ve also heard that opidia was paid a huge amount to use a photo that no one even liked for various reasons. Is this true?

No this is not true.

It was an exchange of different type of tokens so to not effect the blurt price. Opidia even poweres up those blurt which in turn helped the price stabilize. I would have done the same.

Ok well good that that’s confirmed I would have been well disappointed if she was handed 1 million blurt for a photo I’m glad that’s only a rumour.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

So would I. But this is the internet. Many people lie and love to spread rumors. We are all guilty of it from time to time, but mostly its from the lack of not researching. As rychard so pointed out to me too.

Truth and honesty is what is going to keep this world going. Imo.

Completely agree when you catch someoen out lying you can never really trust them on anything I think and when ppl cover up to look a bit better it generally ends up worseZ

no one is driving blurt into the ground.

I don't want proposals at this time.

People threatening to freeze accounts and chase off big investors are running the price down, surely no one can deny this? It’s causing people to not feel safe to invest and want to withdraw as they have no faith or trust anymore.

Proposals or not proposals doesn’t matter but do you not think it’s kind of unfair that there are proposals if your mds friend but not for anyone else? I guess I just like fairness and equality. It’s not really fair if the only people that get a proposal are people who are friends with the boss.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

What I don’t like is one person deciding who gets frozen, assets stolen, removed etc.

100% THIS


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Make it easier: no one censored or frozen.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

well, i was somewhat concerned when mega talked about blurt being "family-friendly" in his interview

have you seen the first episode of "the boys" season 3 ?

it's a show owned by amazon

just imagine if someone posted that stuff on hive or steem or blurt ?

way worse than frot or lucy

they would get insta-banned

but amazon is somehow "considered mainstream" and yet can produce and distribute this stuff to viewers world-wide

what the hell


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I 💜 U

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I have been trying to stay out of the drama that is going on. I cannot waste my time with some of the childish behaviors I have seen. As with any platform if one is not happy with it then move on. I am on Blurt to work with others, interact with others ( in a positive manner), and to share. Share both through my own publications and other's publications (even if only a vote). With regards to the fees I can see and understand the concept of fee raising, although I also see some flaws with it. I have always worked to boost those who have little funds available. There are those from many countries who are trying to get a start here. They need to earn so they can survive, or to better theirs and their families lives. For some it is their only means of income.

Blurt has always been a friendly place with most of those with more, assisting newcomers , as well as those who just do not have much. They help with advice, education, and voting on their posts and comments. Many times there is not a lot of interaction on a post because of the cost to leave a comment. Some posters do not vote on comments for various reason, with one of them being the fees. There are those who send newcomers or those in need Blurt to help with the fees as they begin their Blurt Journey. But higher fees for those with little will work against Blurt, because some just cannot afford it.

There needs to be more interaction within posts, but as it is the fees keep some from commenting. I had not thought of it before but maybe the fees for some is why some users' posts are very short with very little narrative. This then prevents them from get noticed.

It is definitely complicated...I would hope that opening it for discussion will provide better insight before a rush to a decision is made.

Ideally, it would be nice if there was a sliding scale based on the amount of Blurt power each user holds (whether in one account or a total of several accounts). So those with more would pay more , but those with less would pay less. I would imagine it would be a nightmare for a coder to set such a thing up, but if it could be done it would help Blurt, and allow those with little to grow on the platform.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

Your words are very true... Many people who are here to obtain an income to be able to support their family... I know I have heard that blogs are not to live on, but there are countries that do not have the capacity to work, many what have internet have refugees. The same Venezuelans, as is my case being a single mother and coming to blurt from Venezuela has helped me to have the daily bread on my table, my daughter's.

But Blurt became that harmonious place that many were here, there are projects that have been carried out, such as the one by @elkezaksek that supports Uganda, @rajitsearel blurt hospital in Nigeria, even that of a high school that they supported to fix a room.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

(our project is in Uganda, not Nigeria)

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Sorry

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I wish there were more people like you in here.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I've never seen such wisdom for a long while now. I can't agree less with you.

Tx fee increases aren't permanent. I encourage the witnesses to play with them to try and find the right pricing.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

done

thank you. Please lobby the other witnesses to do so as well.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Sure

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

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Last block #20285172 just now on v0.7.0
Producer age: 8 months
Open witness annoucement
Account Creation Fee: 100.000 BLURT
Operation Flat Fee: 0.012 BLURT
Bandwidth Fee: 0.800 BLURT per kB
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  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

I will update my fees as soon as I am on my laptop but i would like to know from other witnesses if they think this idea of increasing the fees would really help.

Obviously there will be advantages as well as disadvantages.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Hey Jake, I am happy about your other post out lining that little is going to change and that no accounts are being frozen or censored. You did it so plainly and in broken english that perhaps the ones here that cant seem to understand the finer aspects of language can get it through their thick heads.

As for the fee increases, how will this stop Whale attacks and other problems like Vote delegation trading, where the fees will not hurt the person so much?

I can see why there is some questioning of this as it will hurt our small fish a lot. In blurt Africa I sometimes vote ok posts that have 1 vote and around 1 blurt. If I were not to of voted them or I take the day off, they would be at a net loss on that post.

Or is this going to coincide with greater use of blurtbot to counteract the potential harm?

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Also it would be great to be able to pull a report from one of the block chain explorers of all transaction fees paid during time periods. This is helpful from a tax standpoint, no need to give the man anything more than deserved.

What I'd recommend is monitoring the effect over time then lobbying the witnesses.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

People will hesitate to a greater degree to post vile filth.

Only a few people post vile filth here aside for spammers. I mean posts that stirs up feelings of hate and bad emotions plus considering that they reek greater rewards your supposed raising of transaction fees will not affect them but small people who are trying to help themselves with this flavor of suppressing free speech which is like trying to hit three enemy soldiers with missile but causing a thousand civilian deaths.

I don't think this is a good idea. The idea may favor those with millions of blurt staked in the platform and won't mind spending such amount, as that is small compared to what they have. You know, when I came to this platform, I wondered why most minnows preferred to write short works, with little or no markdown syntax codes. I realized that the more of such codes you use, especially those that aligns pictures to the right or to the left will cause you to pay more. I'm surprised no body has thought about this fee stuff and how it has affected the general quality of content here on blurt, and you are suggesting a raise in the transaction fees?

This is really so uncool.

Most minnows don't comment on post because of the transaction cost. Neither do they vote on other users. Will you vote someone when what you will pay to vote is much more than how much you can give the person. You can even check this out yourself. Most minnows don't even vote their own work because of the cost! And this is really so sad.

I understand that there is a lot of troubles in the platform, but setting up rules to hurt a group of individuals without minding the minnows on ground who are barely surviving is totally unfair. With the way this whole thing is going I sometimes wonder if the minnows are considered at all. Okay, lets say you always post and you earn less than what you spent on posting, will you post again.

Okay, let's talk about curation accounts. What do you think will happen? The number of works that will be curated will be so little, as curation community accounts pay for both voting and commenting on every post they curate. So, if at this rate already, the chances of getting an upvote as a minnow is very little, what do you think will happen when you guys execute this measure.

I'm barely three months in this platform. This is not the Blurt we left Hive and Steemit for. Something that was once so beautiful, I don't know how a group of persons have allowed Ego, the excessive need to prove a point and display power make them to begin to make decisions without considering the Minnows.

It may feel as if because we don't have much stake on the platform, and most of us are poor, and we are not developers or witnesses, so our say don't matter. But I want it to be remembered that we the minnows also voted the witnesses. So sad.😔

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

This is an excellent idea. 🙃

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Super bad idea!


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Raising fees for posting or commenting (or anything on Blurt) will no doubt drive those who don't monetize on their posts to simply leave.

This does not mean that they are bad content creators, but rather that they do not have the capacity to afford anything because it is no secret to anyone that interaction is very little.

If we want to see less junk content on Blurt, we need to somehow encourage engagement rather than raise fees, and correctly teach what a user should or shouldn't do.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

If we want to see less junk content on Blurt,

we need to learn how to use the mute button


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

This topic should be very well thought through!

There are people who don't have a circle here and whose posts aren't rewarded enough even though they're original. Their voices are muted when wages rise!

Then they leave the blurt! How long can someone with xx awards for content endure when the cost of publishing is xx! These and similar disadvantages should be well questioned.

I don't have much idea about the possible advantages, but I do have some idea of the disadvantages and how it will affect me. It should be considered for newcomers to the platform!

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

There are people who don't have a circle here and whose posts aren't rewarded enough even though they're original.

Not all orginal posts is quality. And not everyone engages. Fees bothering you to continue? @powerclub can help with. Just ask them for help and its done.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Thank you, but I'm okay with whatever my posts deserve. The mill does not turn with the transport water. :)

It's true that not all original content is of good quality, but I still find the environmental factor to be important. I just wanted to emphasize that the decision to be taken is a decision that should be well thought out so that more people do not distract from the blurt and newcomers do not decrease.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Yes, and butt plugs would help too, everyone should wear but plugs in order to post

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

You already don't?

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Butt plugs are a basic essential...like face masks...

you can, if you'd like.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Oh, i always do, to keep other users safe from climate change and gay monkeys

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I don't think that's a good idea. For me, it's not a problem, but for people in Africa, for example, one dollar is an enormous sum.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

People from many countries will be affected Venezuela too. That does not mean that it has bad content that is why it is, but that there is a lack of interaction (you do little for the fees) imagine that now they go up. Little what they are reconpensating, many will leave

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

What is the pain who I support???
do something productive, than having to harass me...

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Did you fall in love with me or what?

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I am free to vote for whoever I want...

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Just mute the troll

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

bingo


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Thanks, I silenced him, he had me harassed

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I agree with you mam.


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

5 Blurt token per post and maybe comment will prevent smaller people in using this platform, it will be like "Pay to get in debt" situation when we will be paying 1 dollar per post.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

That's when Blurt is worth one dollar. It will be a good day.


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That's when Blurt is worth one cent. It will be a good day.

FTFY

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Ha...
That's quite a fix. I just don't like to sell when everyone is selling.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

dunno

obvs a penny would be better than present state.

It really isn’t difficult to get 5 blurt tho on a good well written posts. Even total newbies wifh good posts get decent rewards

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Lying offends me sir. I am going to report you to bullywatch if you continue to do that.

You specifically said no higher transaccion in your previous post.

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

This decision is a difficult one I must say. There will be consequences as well as advantages to this decision. It should be looked into critically before implementation because it appears to me that consequence may outweigh the benefits. Smaller accounts as well as newbies should be put into consideration also.

Best Regards.

Increase transaction fees? Oush! I don’t think it's a good idea considering the currebt value of blurt😏

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

If you do not know where to get the funds, it is best to raise taxes - such primitive logic

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Most people on this chain came with a high hope because the platform was friendly and fair to everyone but what I don't really consent to is
the idea of increasing blurt posting fee at the moment this would turn this chain to be for the whales only at this early stage of blurt.
Thereby driving those with less BP/popular out.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

@jacobgadikian ...Your post has been very nice and these are the things I have noticed that you are constantly updating the posts. There is a wonderful thing in your posts. I hope we will always receive such beautiful post from you as a gift.please support me

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

That would drive most people from Blurt.

if it is of so little value to them, I bid them adieu

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Hi..
I don't think he would leave because he didn't like it or had little value, but rather that some would spend more than he earns...