RE: Blurt Discussion: How to deal with Fraud, Plaigraism and Copyright

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Blurt Discussion: How to deal with Fraud, Plaigraism and Copyright

in witness-discussion •  3 years ago 

We can run cheetah like bot, that's it.

No blacklists, no blurtwatchers, no downvotes on this chain
If there are copyrights claims then blurt.blog will have to take down stolen content (like facebook and twitter doing it)

I was going to convert my 300K Hive to Blurt but I see that some of you do not understand why people are moving here from Hive. I'll stop conversion and will wait for this discussion results

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hello @ctime,

Thanks for sharing your intention to convert your HIVE to Blurt. These are your funds and you are entitled to use them as you see fit.

Anyway, as per discussion and with permission from @megadrive, I'm sharing some ideas I shared with the team. I'm suggesting to plagiarism to be addressed on multiple layers.

  1. Front-end/UI operators (currently blurt.blog and blurtworld.com)
    • the most feasible and easy to implement; we have COAL (Collaboratively Organised Abuse List) which is basically a list of accounts with their reason of being blacklisted;
    • for those included in COAL, the upvote button will not display on their posts
    • in consideration of the human-side of things, those who get blacklisted can make an appeal to removed from the list given that they meet certain criteria/standards before they are removed (e.g., public apology and commitment to make original posts for x number of days)
  2. Cheetah-bot like
    • similar to what was mentioned here by other users, these bot auto-comments on detected plagiarized posts; it will have some false-positives, but it provides a layer of auto-detection
  3. Manual checkers
    • for the "creative" plagiarists who find ways to circumvent the bot; for issue discussed by @the-gorilla
  4. Request for cooperation of curation or auto-vote bots operators
    • since no one will be able to stop anyone from creating or developing their upvote bot, all we can do is make it collaborative so that operators will make use of the public COAL list to block posts of authors who are blacklisted
  5. A more sophisticated solution to be discussed with @rycharde
  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Excellent work. You devs are the best.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

You're the best in what you do as well of getting people to Blurt. You have a wider reach compared to us due to the nature of the work you do for Blurt. We face codes, you face people. :D

Blurt will never have Downvotes. We will find a way to stop spam without downvotes.

I hope you will continue your migration from Hive and hope to see you as a strong pillar of Blurt community.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Some people are moving from Hive to Blurt because they want a better, freer and fairer blockchain, but many are also coming over to Blurt now because the token is going up and they want to participate....

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

A solution will be found. No downvotes on Blurt and everyone will be coming to Blurt.
I’m buying Blurt before it goes to $100.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  
  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Totally agree with this, our previous COAL took is broken, and devs are repairing it, it was our old tool https://gitlab.com/blurt/openblurt/coal, we already added some accounts in the COAL list, we already have an appeal channel for COAL listed users in our official discord server. we are discussing how we will deal with plagiarism and spamming, once the tool will be ready will start work again. Thanks for your suggestion.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

hello I am a female crypto enthusiast and need help setting up a blurt witness. I am part of a project bringing people from FB for a rewards program. I tried to down load discord to my discord group on my phone and message you and it will not allow me too says I'm not sharing the same server???? what does that mean?? help

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Ah, nice to hear that. join the discord server, so I can able to help you on there- https://discord.gg/RtKNZtm

I noticed this comment some days ago and after having made my own post as well as held discussions elsewhere I wanted to share with you the results. On the issue of KYC, megadrive (co-founder of Blurt) commented on my post that under no circumstances would there ever be a requirement for it.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@megadrive/r2g5xj

On the issue of black lists, I made known my issues with them, the main one being some insane requirement for everything to take place in the shadows of Discord where power can be flexed anonymously. I received assurance from one of our top developers that he agreed and that whenever a charge would be made it would need be in the light on the block chain, where all of us could see for ourselves if respect for dignity and property rights (stake) was being disregarded.

As a former self publisher I know first hand it is impossible to stop plagiarism until at best after the fact. Usually a whack a mole situation where at best one can have temporary victories. I understand platforms need to protect themselves from culpability of intellectual theft, but all to often we see this used as a cover for abuse by those in power, much the way corrupt exchanges like Coinbase uses KYC as a theft mechanism when refusing to release ones money to them. Anyway, here are the responses from one of our lead programmers on this issue as replied to me.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/r2h681

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@saboin/r2hfgg

Based on the comment he made to me in the last link

The only thing that is being discussed right now is attesting another social media platform in order to get a free account. That won't be something that is required, but just an option if someone wants a free account and doesn't mind doing a Tweet or a Facebook post to promote Blurt as a form of payment. The option to create a paid anonymous account will always be there as long as I'm part of the team. I'm a strong advocate for privacy rights.

Further reinforces my initial impression that the discussion on these issues didn't originate with the founders or foundation of Blurt. Folks who participate in the Discord it appears were floating these ideas in a bid I assume to gain support. One of our largest whales here and some of the other witnesses who believe that even the smallest stakeholders have a voice and right to know brought the topic here to the chain so everyone could be aware of the discussions taking place in the shadows of Discord.

I think that while it was good for the chain for this transparency on the discussion to exist for ALL OF US, it unfortunately raised questions and speculations on the foundation and their intent that in all honesty should never have been raised as they weren't involved in this to my understanding based on their responses.

This just further reinforce my ill view of Discord. I've always refused to go there and never have I seen anything good come of it. Seems to me many behind the scenes schemes and collusion takes place there on the other chains, and some wish to bring it here too. I say if one has an idea to push, do so here on the chain for all to see and have a voice on, don't be a coward and try to rally support behind the scenes.

A huge thank you to the witnesses who brought this discussion to the chain, and hopefully those who push such schemes will see that what worked for them on Steem and Hive with the scheming doesn't work here where transparency and respect are honored.