It would have to be something that would suggest the possibility. Like the mother was making threats of such as an example. I believe that in most cases unless something was glaring as the threat example above it's best to just let it be. I've known several women in my life over the years who have had multiple miscarriages and they were just devastated (as well as in some cases the father).
It seems to me that it's not uncommon for some women to have them (multiple times), and not sure if it's something to do with their unique reproductive system, or perhaps a combination of not matching well biologically with the fathers attributes, perhaps a mix of both.
It occurs to me of course that because of my not wishing to go on witch hunts against grieving parents that obviously this would allow some more devious intelligent mothers to have abortions and call them miscarriages. A price I think any just society has to endure unless as I said there is some pretty compelling evidence of wrongdoing.
I'm not a fan of preemptive rules seeking to stop a handful of criminals at the expense of the majority who would be affected by such rules who never would have been a danger in regards to what the rules claim to try circumventing. That's a slippery slope to having no freedoms, just permissions.
while i agree with your moral impulse here,
it is difficult to say "abortion is murder" and then say "we won't investigate miscarriages"
shockingly,
Nov 12, 2021 — Brittney Poolaw was convicted of 1st degree manslaughter for suffering a miscarriage. Bringing the U.S. one step closer to Gilead.
https://engine.presearch.org/search?q=miscarriage+charged+with+murder+manslaughter
it seems like pregnant women would be wise to avoid visiting a hospital
I believe we are conflating two separate issues here. I've been very vocal in my years of blogging on the many criminal ways those who farm us like they own us use their penal slave system and army of men with guns to punish folks for things that quite simply are none of their business and often has no victim.
I used to write a lot for example on the mandatory reporters who would get children kidnapped from their parents (often single moms) where more often than not the child would end up being forcibly drugged and have an exponentially greater chance of being sexually molested and trafficked etc.
I don't believe it hard to separate at all
But it would involve putting an end to the MANY ways the courts and men with guns act in ways that are crimes against humanity against the general population.
I think for many reasons it is wise for all of us to avoid visiting hospitals. That is usually where the mandatory reporters are, that is where many are treated in ways that makes problems worse or actually kills one. I cringe inside to even think of all the crimes taking place within the places called hospitals here in the U.S.
I've said for many years now to my partner that if i get sick bad I want to just die at home in peace. Even if it somehow shortens my time here.
i agree
i also agree
it's a very sad state of affairs, but i also agree
unfortunately it looks like miscarriages will be investigated as potential murder cases if abortion is outlawed
from my perspective this is the same "right to self-ownership" and "right to medical privacy" as the fight over MANDATORY vaccines
(IFF) "life (and the rights of citizenship) begins at conception" (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter (AND) in-vitro fertilization = murder
AND,
personal privacy and medical privacy goes out the window completely
(IFF) "life (and the rights of citizenship) begins at conception" (THEN) every single CONCEPTION must be REGISTERED WITH THE STATE which would basically make it mandatory for all women to immediately report a positive pregnancy test in order to receive a "(pre)birth certificate"
As I said, I believe we are mixing separate issues.
Just because the overlords will do this or that will never get me to agree that murder is justified because someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their carnal pleasures or because it inconveniences them.
Where I believe this topic would stop going in circles between us is if you re-positioned your meeting point with me to begin examining why the government has been given the consent from the people to do things such as a census to in an indirect way chip their human cattle. Or to set up laws by design that harm a majority so they can POSSIBLY act as an impediment for the small percentage of folks who would actually perform the deed they claim they are trying to stop.
The topic of the overlords is where this continues to head into as you probe my take on this or that. And I will confess up front I'm not sure of any conclusive means an average person on their own has to stop the ever growing rule of these selfish self absorbed controllers.
ok, i just have to know
if you have any strong opinions about
in-vitro fertilization ?
Without being an expert on the topic, I would have to say it could be a grey area. In the sense of whether or not there is consent from all parties involved preliminarily.
Upon a quick research I also see that murder is being committed in this area as well.
https://www.hli.org/resources/in-vitro-fertilization-ethical-issues/
Exodus 21:22 is, however, a part of the Bible that actually does mention the fetus. “When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
This is fascinating because it outlines specific punishments for specific crimes. If a woman is hurt in a struggle and then has a miscarriage, the penalty is a fine, a mere financial payment. But, if there is further harm, likely meaning the woman has long-term and serious injuries or even dies, then the culprit could be killed. In other words, the life and well-being of the woman, the mother, is of much greater significance than those of her unborn child.
also notice the "payment" is determined by and is paid to the father
That might be something for Christians to consider, but then they accept the many genocides that were commanded as well.
"grey area" doesn't seem to adequately describe "mass murder"
Indeed it doesn't. I wrote that first part before doing a little looking into it and saw there was such taking place and should have changed it but was in a hurry.