from my perspective this is the same "right to self-ownership" and "right to medical privacy" as the fight over MANDATORY vaccines
(IFF) "life (and the rights of citizenship) begins at conception" (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter (AND) in-vitro fertilization = murder
AND,
personal privacy and medical privacy goes out the window completely
(IFF) "life (and the rights of citizenship) begins at conception" (THEN) every single CONCEPTION must be REGISTERED WITH THE STATE which would basically make it mandatory for all women to immediately report a positive pregnancy test in order to receive a "(pre)birth certificate"
As I said, I believe we are mixing separate issues.
Just because the overlords will do this or that will never get me to agree that murder is justified because someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their carnal pleasures or because it inconveniences them.
Where I believe this topic would stop going in circles between us is if you re-positioned your meeting point with me to begin examining why the government has been given the consent from the people to do things such as a census to in an indirect way chip their human cattle. Or to set up laws by design that harm a majority so they can POSSIBLY act as an impediment for the small percentage of folks who would actually perform the deed they claim they are trying to stop.
The topic of the overlords is where this continues to head into as you probe my take on this or that. And I will confess up front I'm not sure of any conclusive means an average person on their own has to stop the ever growing rule of these selfish self absorbed controllers.
ok, i just have to know
if you have any strong opinions about
in-vitro fertilization ?
Without being an expert on the topic, I would have to say it could be a grey area. In the sense of whether or not there is consent from all parties involved preliminarily.
Upon a quick research I also see that murder is being committed in this area as well.
https://www.hli.org/resources/in-vitro-fertilization-ethical-issues/
Exodus 21:22 is, however, a part of the Bible that actually does mention the fetus. “When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
This is fascinating because it outlines specific punishments for specific crimes. If a woman is hurt in a struggle and then has a miscarriage, the penalty is a fine, a mere financial payment. But, if there is further harm, likely meaning the woman has long-term and serious injuries or even dies, then the culprit could be killed. In other words, the life and well-being of the woman, the mother, is of much greater significance than those of her unborn child.
also notice the "payment" is determined by and is paid to the father
That might be something for Christians to consider, but then they accept the many genocides that were commanded as well.
well, it's also an example of how "induced miscarriage" has historically not met the same penalty as "murder"
I remember thinking way back...
What I'd do if I survived..
IF
oh yes there is.
make the purchase of pregnancy tests require an id.
each pregnancy test is issued with a unique serial number.
every purchased pregnancy test must be returned and registered within 30 days.
anyone who returns a positive pregnancy test is issued a "(pre)birth-certificate" and if they don't produce a living child in approximately 9 months
they will be investigated for child endangerment and or criminal negligence and or manslaughter and or murder
problem solved
Not sure who you were quoting there, but once again that would point to an issue with those who believe they own us.
"grey area" doesn't seem to adequately describe "mass murder"
Indeed it doesn't. I wrote that first part before doing a little looking into it and saw there was such taking place and should have changed it but was in a hurry.
still more thoughtful than most, by a mile