INTP ARMY

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Hello, hello, hello. Yo, can you hear me? Okay, can you hear me? I see my face is turning green, it's got the green circle. Oh, oh, oh good, okay, yeah. No, for some reason it, yeah, it wasn't working before, but I guess it's working now.
Alright, and now I got you on Matrix in case something happens on Discord. Yes, I can hear you. Oh, well, I mean, that's part of this whole... Yeah, so, yeah, it's difficult... to introduce myself because part of my entire concept is that when exchanging ideas
you want to stick to the ideas and worry less about the person's identity. I would consider myself like a a basically, like, completely average person in... Yeah. So... I mean, I do reveal some stuff about myself in my podcast, if you want to check that out.
But, yeah, no, I mean, you know, I try to stick to ideas more than... identities, because I think that identities can be very distracting. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yes. Like my... Yeah, so basically... Like that... I think I posted that link. Yeah. The seven levels of INTP, that's basically like my life story.
And I've been trying to come up with a good way to communicate that. for a while, and then I pretty recently had a really good conversation with a guy actually on Discord, in text. I don't normally talk with anybody. But yeah, so he was asking me questions about meditation and vipassana. He had had some experiences.
And so I was trying to explain to him, because the questions he was asking didn't seem to apply to me. Like I could tell by the questions themselves that there was a misunderstanding that was happening. So in order for me to clear up that misunderstanding, I was like, okay, well, let me try to...
frame my perspective so he understands where i'm coming from and so that's that's how i wrote that out so i just and i wrote those out as seven levels because i'd sort of had that idea before but i'd never written it out so and and i didn't plan
it to be seven levels i thought it was going to be more like three levels or four levels But it ended up being seven levels. Like, I actually got to level six, and I was like, well, do I want to do the level that I'm currently in? Because it seems like level six,
even when I got up to level six, I was like, I think I'm already past this. Like, I don't think this is an accurate reflection of my current perspective. So I was like, yeah, may as well go all in on level seven. so yeah Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, we went to church, like, all the time. Uh, no. Oh, like Noah. Hold on a second.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I remember asking questions when I was a kid, and then, yeah, eventually my parents, they kept telling me, oh, you'll understand when you're older. You'll understand when you're older. So then eventually they set up a meeting with the preacher and asked him to explain things to me. Yeah.
And then, yeah, but it still didn't make sense.
Well, I think, I think, I think,
I think everybody has the capacity, but I think that's why I keep referring to the INTPs. Because I think not all INTPs think like this. But I think if you are an INTP, then you're probably in one of those seven levels. Like, you're not... Not all INTPs are going to think alike, but I think that there is...
It seems like a natural progression to me. Oh, a lot of them do, yes. Yeah. Yeah. You start to see patterns where a lot of things that seem unrelated are similar. Like they follow similar patterns. That's why I like talking about movies and TV shows a lot because a lot of what you
see in movies and TV shows and what people find appealing about certain TV shows and movies reflects on them as individuals. Like how you think and how you see the world will affect what movies and TV shows you're going to like. And why you like those. Because there's lots of movies that have broad appeal.
And everybody likes them for something different. But the more movies and TV shows that you can cobble together. Like, I don't know if I showed you this or not yet. But, um, where are we at? Yeah, so a friend of mine recommended that I get on Letterboxd.
a while back so I started adding basically I only added the movies that I would recommend to myself like if I could go back in time I was trying to imagine like if I could go back in time like would I tell myself you have to see this movie and if I and if I do
if I would recommend it to myself because there are certain movies that I would recommend to certain people but the other movies I would recommend to other people but not to everybody like there's so I was trying to standardize my criteria by saying like what would I recommend to myself and so anyway if there's a movie that
I would tell myself you must see this movie then I rated it five stars so like I only rated movies that are five stars and I've got about a thousand movies but then I still I have broken them into different lists so so yeah so there's my my top favorite ones which I found all four of these
recently You can watch them for free in different places. The top four. But then there's also this list. Hold on. And this is the stuff that's more esoteric. Yeah, so I've got this esoteric list. And anyway, so... Yeah, so... Right, but I think it's almost like movies are their own language. Because even with regular language,
no matter what words you're using, a lot of times any two people that are speaking, even if they both think that they understand the same language, there's going to be some miscommunications, because people are going to think words mean something slightly different than other people. So, and the same goes for movies, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, yeah, this conversation that we're having right now is what I want to achieve. I want to find people who think similarly to me and try to get at least three or four people together. I actually was thinking about this today, like about goals,
and I think it was probably because you said you wanted to talk to me. But let me see if I can find this link. So I found this video like two years ago. And I was thinking about it again today. Hold on, I think I stuck it under my hammers. So there's this guy.
And again, identity is irrelevant. Like I don't know anything about this guy. When I saw this video, I'd never seen this channel before. I didn't know this guy. I didn't know anything about anybody. But, when I watched it, it makes a lot of sense. So he was basically talking about creative writing. And it's like,
if you want to be an author, you want to be a creative writer, what you have to do, from his experience as a professional writer, his experience is, You have to have four, a group of four dedicated people. Four or five, I think he says. It's either four or five. But basically,
where you have everybody in the group is dedicated to read everybody else's work and be brutally honest in their critiques. And he says, if you do that, you're going to become a great writer. Like everybody in that group. So it's like you have to have like a core group of people who are able to like not
let their feelings get in the way. And just be basically just like brutally honest about like their opinions and be able to speak freely about what they think. And be able to take, you know, be able to take a harsh critique. to be able to give and receive harsh critique.
So... So that's sort of what I'm working towards. Now, there are a couple of people that I think are potential. They have some potential. But it's very difficult to sort of make progress towards getting, like, building a core group. Like, there was another guy who had read that Seven Levels of INTP a while back,
and then he had written me a response that was very encouraging. Like, it sounded like he was interested and had a similar experience. Maybe kind of what you're thinking. But You know... So it's hard to keep track of these people... Because sometimes... They show up... For a week or two... And then they disappear again...
And there's no way to know... You know... When he might show up again... So like he initially... We started talking... I got him on... He didn't want to join... Discord... Which is fine... I do know a couple of people that are... A little bit... Uncomfortable with Discord... For some reason... Anyways, but he got on Matrix,
and we were chatting, and then he disappeared for a couple of weeks, and then he came back for about a week, and then he disappeared again. So, you know, you never know. You never know what's going to happen with people you meet online. Right, but that's interesting on one level,
but most of the time it does almost nothing to inform their ideas. Like, you could read about this person's life and know a lot of detail about their home situation, their family situation, their experiences going to war... you know, working at a newspaper, falling in love, you know, having loved ones die, whatever it is, like,
you could know all of that and still not be able to guess what their ideas were. Like, their ideas are completely separated from... I agree with you, it is intuitively interesting to read about the human condition, but... Here's the example. So I made a video called The Strong Tree. It's like a parable.
And I think there's an idea that if you know enough about a successful person or a famous person, that somehow you will be able to learn some lessons as to how you can imitate them in some way. to become famous or successful. But I would say almost 100% of the time, there's so much luck involved.
And what they were doing often was not imitating anybody who came before them. It was a moment in time. They happened to be at the right place at the right time. And so I think it's misguided to try to learn some lesson from somebody else's life like you can abstract it you
can abstract it to the point where every human has to learn certain things and I think that's more of an INTP approach whereas yes there are progressions and right like that's what the seven levels of INTP is I'm basically trying to abstract my experience to the point where it's still meaningful, but it's not specifically about me.
I try to go into as little detail as possible about myself as a person, but there are still certain things that I have to put in in order to make it readable and understandable. But I, and in a way I think, I think that experience is something that almost everybody goes through. Some, but some understand it differently.
But it's, it's, right, it's not about a specific person. That's what I try to emphasize, and I think I even say in the writing, I'm right. The idea of a logic zombie is that everybody's a logic zombie. It's not something that I'm doing. It's that everybody is doing this in different ways, but still basically the same.
Like you are... You're born into a situation and you have certain experiences and you are born with certain capabilities and everybody is basically trying to do the best they can with what they got. Yes. Yes. Right. And I understand that impulse. I totally understand that impulse. But even the best politicians... Like, yes, that's a noble goal,
and that's something that I'm sure you're capable of, given the opportunity. But at the same time, I think what most people miss, even with the best intentions, is I think that you have to start examining individuals before you start trying to change the rest of the world. You have to be able to
start with yourself it's self-mastery and then finding like-minded individuals and then building on that that's that's the conclusion that i've come to yeah oh I see I'd know I okay I think I know what you're saying I think I know what you're saying I would say probably from your perspective, my goals might seem less ambitious.
So part of the idea that I had was that if everybody just uses logic and thinks things through and thinks logically, then everybody will naturally be on the same page and everybody will agree, and everybody will get along. Right? Or at least we can understand why we don't get along. Like, we can disagree for logical reasons.
You know. Like, if you live in a town next to my town, and we're running out of water, and my town wants the water, and your town wants the water,
it makes sense.
Right? We don't have to... make up reasons to disagree. Like, there are... Even... As long as everybody's thinking logically, like, we should be able to come to some kind of compromise where it doesn't just end up...
And, you know,
violence can... It definitely can happen, for sure. It is basically the Supreme Court of human behavior. But... I think if you're thinking things through logically, violence is not the ideal solution to most problems. So anyway, so that was my idea. And then I don't know if you're familiar at all with Star Trek.
Have you ever watched any of the Star Trek TV shows? Is that a yes or a no? No, no, you're not familiar with Star Trek? Oh, okay, okay. Just checking. Alright, well, anyway, there's a science fiction series that's very popular. Star Trek. So, anyway, there's a whole race of people in the show that are focused on logic.
Right? Right. So, and then they have like a history that they go into about like the person that started focusing on logic and teaching everybody logic and then everybody, more and more people agreed and became logical thinkers until eventually the entire society became dominated by logical thinkers, right? That's what I'm thinking.
That's what I'm trying to get to happen. So, my goal is to find people like yourself who are logical thinkers. Exactly. So, one person a year. One person a year is my goal. And I've been able to hit that. I feel like I have been finding at least one logical thinker a year.
And the idea is that if each of those people finds one person a year, I actually ran the numbers and it only takes 20 years for the entire world population of 8 billion people to be converted to be logical thinkers. So That's the plan, if you're looking for a master plan. Find one person a year.
Either find or convert somebody to thinking more logically. One person a year. It's not an unachievable goal. And then if they find one person a year, and everybody that they find finds one person a year, you get exponential growth that way. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I would say, for sure, maybe, maybe three.
Like, for sure two others besides you. But then, but then I've got maybe like five maybes that I'm, you know, basically trying to communicate with. Oh yeah, that's the goal, is to be able to have a small group of people, like four, maybe five people, that are not afraid of critiquing ideas.
Like, you have ideas, like debate, basically. Like the civil debate, like that first civil debate idea. And just using that as a framework, because that... That's a framework that works not only for what you would normally think of as like a formal debate, but it works for your home communications as well. So even in your day-to-day life,
like talking to your boss, talking to your coworker, talking to your husband, or talking to your wife, like the same rules apply. Like, you can avoid personal attacks and focus on concepts. And it does work. Like, I've seen it work. It makes a big difference.
Because most of the time people get upset and they just start calling each other names and saying mean things. And that's never going to help. That's not going to help society. It's not going to help you personally. There's no benefit to it.
but people do it constantly and you see it in the news too like a lot like almost half the news stories I see are just basically talking about how stupid somebody is because they did something stupid or whatever has nothing to do with anything
they're just they're just using ad hominem attacks and all it does is make people mad and it doesn't it doesn't help solve any problems it doesn't even identify any problems it's It's just pointless aggravation that I don't... I think that people can learn to do better because this is something that you would associate with childish behavior.
And I guess that is part of the problem is you have a lot of people who never grow up. I feel like they never grow up. Like there is... similar to my seven levels of INTP. There's another thing I ran across recently from Ken Wilber. He has like 12 levels of consciousness, I think.
Have you seen that one? It's similar, and it's another similar, it's like a universal framework. You know, and again, like, these things are not 100% accurate, but they are generally accurate. And, you know, if you, yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me, and it's a framework that people can identify.
Because people do, they love self-help books. And they love gurus that tell them that they have all the secrets or whatever. They have all the answers for them. People eat that stuff up like crazy. But that's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to just basically show them a framework that has nothing to do with me.
They're not my ideas. I'm just sharing these ideas. They're anybody's ideas. And people should, you have to approach philosophy and life from your own perspective. You can't adopt somebody else's perspective. So that's kind of the direction I'm trying to approach it from. Um, I didn't take those specifically from anywhere else, but I, um, yeah, no,
those came up in a conversation I was having with a coworker at a, at a job I used to work at. So we would talk, we would, we were both with smoke cigarettes, so we would go on, sometimes I'd see him when I went on a smoke break and we started talking.
The more we talked, the more we talked, right? And he was asking me a lot of questions. It was a younger guy. He was in his 20s, I think. So he had a lot of questions, and I was trying to come up with answers. Because, I mean, he was asking me stuff.
You know, as I get older, it seems like more people ask me for advice. But most people don't ask you. Most people don't ask you for advice. But it is interesting. It really makes you think when people start asking you for advice. And so I was trying to basically analyze, like, what is the core problem?
And I think the core problem is communication. And I was on a debate website. And I, again, I had this idea that I thought, oh, these people are interested in formal debate. So they'll all agree because they'll all think logically. That's not anywhere close to being the case. Most of them were not thinking logically.
They were not aware of their own biases. But anyway, so I was trying to come up with something simple that should be easy for anybody to understand, that would solve most of the problems. And most of the problems are miscommunication. It's not that people disagree.
I mean, sure, people disagree about stuff, but they don't really disagree about the important things. The main problem is that they are not able to communicate clearly. So you have to start with a communication protocol. All right, I found it. Twelve stages of consciousness. I'll post this for you. Copy. All right, there you go.
Yeah, it's only 10 minutes, so it's pretty snappy, and it makes a lot of sense. So when you watch it, you'll say, oh, I can relate to that, I can understand that, or I know somebody who seems to think like that. And then you'll find a point where there will be a certain point where you're like, okay,
this sounds like crazy talk. But whatever that is, you're one level below that usually. I would say. And then you also notice that you're not at the same level of consciousness all the time. Like some days you're lower, or even within the same day you're going to fluctuate, depending on what you're focused on.
So it's not like you achieve some level, like... Like, I've heard a lot of people, they're frustrated with the INTP designation because they're like, well, sometimes I don't fit the INTP description. It's not a static thing. A lot of times, based on what situation you're in, you're going to, you know,
like you might be a little more ENTP or you might be a little more INTJ. or a little bit more INFJ, or whatever. Like, depending on the situation, there's going to be some flexibility, but I focused on INTP because everything that I read about INTP matches not only what I think I am,
but what I want to be. You know, it's like my goal. It's like it encapsulates what I... the kind of person that I want to be around, the kind of person that I want to exchange ideas with, and the person that I want to be. And I feel like I am, most of the time.
So the INTP thing, and that was something that I only figured out pretty recently, within the past probably five years. Before that, if anybody talked, because people had talked about the Myers-Briggs stuff to me before and I always just thought like all those
personality tests and stuff they're all I mean it's just girl stuff you know what I mean like I thought because in my in my experience it's mostly women that are interested in that personality stuff personality tests and personality types yeah guys don't talk about that stuff generally
Like if you're intellectual enough and you're talking about psychology and science and philosophy, it makes a little bit more sense. But generally, just in general, guys don't talk about stuff like that. So I always associated it more with women. And so then I didn't really pay that much attention to it. I didn't take it seriously.
But yeah, once I figured it out, it totally clicked. And then I found a I found a couple of people actually on the INTP forums. So that's actually why I decided to join the debate websites and go to the INTP forums.
Because I'm like, now that I've identified the thing that I'm looking for, now I know what to look for. So where do INTPs normally go? Well, a lot of them are computer programmers. But a lot of them are interested in philosophy and debate.
And so you can find them if you just go to where those people would naturally go. So I feel like I've got a target and now I know where to look. And I've been lucky enough to find somebody. Like I said, about one person a year on average. And like the one guy I found
who was just a co-worker, and we were just talking. The more we talked, the more we agreed on stuff. So I felt like, you know, that was basically just pure luck. But when he originally tested, his personality tested as INTJ, but he told me a couple years later, he told me he was INTP.
So I feel like maybe I nudged him in the right direction. He's become more open-minded, because that's the main difference between an INTP and an INTJ, is the INTP is more open-minded. I mean, I would like to debate every day, but most people are not in the mood to debate every day. And then at a certain point,
like when you meet somebody and there's a period where you're getting to know them and you do a lot of conversation, but at a certain point, once people feel like they agree with you, then... they actually talk to you less, it seems like. So there's a distance, which is fine. You know,
like my idea is to connect with people and spread ideas and not necessarily keep those people around me specifically. It doesn't matter where they are. In fact, it's probably better if they go and spread those ideas to more people, right? So, you know, I haven't really been able to put together like a core group I mean,
I do have that Discord, and basically it's an invite-only Discord, so every single one of these people, it looks like there's 49 people. It's a private server, so nobody's jumping in there at random. Nobody can invite anybody except me personally. So every single one of these people has potential.
So, yes, a lot of the people that I think have potential... are in that Logic Zombie Discord. But you'll notice most of them are not active. There's maybe three people who... Well, that's the other thing about INTPs is they listen and think about things. They're slow to speak.
And I have had confirmation from a lot of these people who never post anything in the chat, but they do enjoy reading the stuff that I post. So I know it's hard to tell who's reading what if they don't say anything or if they don't give you a thumbs up or something,
but I know that I have way more readers than I have responders and I really like the format in Discord like you can see I've got lots of different categories and stuff so I like it helps me even if there was nobody in
the server I like having this this way of organizing my thoughts it's kind of for me it's a handy way to keep track of stuff to keep track of ideas and try to find the best ideas just for myself so I mean, in chat, I do have time, especially in the INTP forums.
Let me give you a link to that in case you want to jump on there. Yeah, if there's something going on in the INTP forums, there's usually some pretty good discussions going on. I usually have time to at least formulate, you know, usually like two or three decent replies and then wait to see what the responses are.
There aren't a whole lot of debates going on in there, but we have had some pretty active conversations. One of the best conversations I had was actually that the best argument, the strongest argument for atheism, That was the product of a long discussion. I would say a debate. On the INTP forum.
So, if you want to check that out, again, it's free. You should jump on there and check it out. And yeah, you can start some debates. Just see how people respond. Sometimes they respond, sometimes they don't. But when they do, a lot of times it gets pretty good. It's usually pretty good.
I agree I agree so like if you want to put something together like I feel like I've already got I've already got the discord server that you're on um you know it may be it's not exactly what you're thinking you've got your own discord server right
you've got one that you've put together a debate server or something you've got you've got you've got a discord server set up don't you Yeah, you've got that, what, debaters of why, that one. That one's yours. Right?
No, there's nothing, there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with that.
Like, it's, it, it's perfectly fine, but I'm just saying, like, if, if you want, if you want to have, like, uh, yeah. I agree with you, I agree with you, uh, But that's part of the point. It shouldn't have to be. It should be informal. I think.
I feel like it should be informal because that's the other thing about INTPs is they don't like to make commitments to anything. And the more informal it is, I think the easier it is to get people to participate. because they prefer, like, a low-pressure situation. Oh, they're alive. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you... Oh, for... Well, yeah...
One of them's over on... Well, I've got the one guy on the INTP forums. I think he started a new identity. So... There was a guy named Fractal Walrus. And then he's the guy I was talking about that disappeared. But then there's a new guy that showed up. Brand new account called Riddle Man...
And I think it's the same guy. I mean, you could jump on INTP forums and see, you know, and respond to some of his questions. He is one of the guys that is not interested in getting on Discord for whatever reasons. And then the other guy that I really think is smart is on Blurt.
Are you familiar with Blurt at all? Okay. Okay. let me show you that and his stuff is uh... he's kind of difficult to communicate with but strangely like we i communicate he communicates with me and i communicate with him in a very effective and unique way
so a lot of times i'll post an idea and then he'll post what seems like a random idea but it's interestingly related to my idea. Or I'll post a song or a video, and then he'll post another song or a video. Again, I think to most people, they think it would seem almost completely random and unrelated,
but very interesting. And I really enjoy it, and I have spoken to him on the phone, and so I feel like I kind of know him. But he's only on Blurt. Like he was on Matrix for a while, but he's not happy with Matrix or Discord. So he's not there or there. He's only on Blurt.
So that's Frank. So I gave you a link to his stuff. Yeah, so those are the... Go ahead. I mean, I've got a couple of guys... Yes. I got a couple of guys that I feel like are solid. Yeah. So, but I haven't been able to get everybody together. That's part of the problem.
So I've got a couple of... I've got a couple of... smart guys individually, but I'm still trying to... I think what you were just suggesting is trying to get us in a multifaceted conversation. Yeah. That's the goal. And Frank is on board with that goal. Frank is on board with that goal.
So if you want to get on Blurt, I can make an account for you, and you can start trying to chat with Frank. Now, again, like I said, he is difficult to communicate with, because everything that he posts is pretty cryptic, but I would say just give it a chance. Yeah, Frank Bacon, yeah. Uh, INTP Forum. Yeah.
Um... some INTP, it is, it is basically, it is very INTP, like it's, it's, it was put together, like it's well put together, it was put together a long time ago, it is barely maintained, it has changed almost nothing at all, it is not up to date, it is perfectly functional, And that is extremely INTP, a philosophy.
It's like, if it performs the function it needs to perform, don't mess with it. Don't spend any time on it that you don't absolutely have to. If it goes down, maybe we'll fix it in two weeks. Because it does go down maybe once a year. It'll go down for a couple of weeks or something.
But then it'll come back. Like, it seems like it always comes back. Well, when I was... I initially got interested in the Myers-Briggs stuff. I found a good website, the 16 Personalities. It's just called 16 Personalities. It was free. You could take the test and do everything. It had a bunch of good information for free.
Like, I didn't want to sign up for anything. And then the more I read about INTP, the more I was like, I need to find more people like this. I need to find INTPs. So I just did a Google search for INTP debate. Or no, I wasn't even doing that.
I was doing a search for which Dune characters are INTPs. And there was, like, this huge post about it on INTP Forum. And I was like, oh, INTP Forum. That sounds interesting. So I just went there. I read the article. But then I realized, oh, this is basically just a place for INTPs to talk to each other,
try to find other INTPs. So, like, I signed up. It was free. So, like, why not? And it worked. Like, there's definitely INTPs there. And a lot of them do read what I post, because, like, the Strongest Argument for Atheism article, like, I didn't get that many responses.
Like, I've got a decent amount of responses, maybe 50, right? But the other thing I like about the INTP forum is it shows you how many people read the article. 11,000 people. So people are reading it. There's a lot more readers than there are responders. But again, that's typical of an INTP.
Because the INTP is always going to think about stuff, and very rarely are they going to ever even say anything about it. Oh, I've got two minutes before I have to take off. Oh, it's daytime. It's almost 5 o'clock p.m.
Okay. Yeah.
I mean, that was actually kind of funny because especially with Frank, and there was another guy I was talking with as well online, never talked about identity, never saw a picture of him, never talked about any personal information. It's just exchanging ideas, right? And then, but then eventually when I did talk to him,
and I saw pictures of him I was stunned that we're almost we're almost exactly we're almost exactly the same age and we look very similar so so yeah so I don't know if you if you see that picture of Frank but that's that's that's basically what I look like He's got his picture in the... Yeah. Yeah.
I think you need to get a bigger one if you click on it. Oh, he's upside down too. Yeah. Well, anyway, yeah. So basically, yeah. I just turned 51. No. Well, yeah, some perspective. Right, well, you've had time to have ideas and then have goals and also achieve those goals and
then also realize that a lot of times maybe you're picking the wrong goals. So, yeah. So I think that's probably the key advantage of getting older. It's not necessarily that you think differently, but you see priorities differently. So, yes. So I think that, and that's part of the seven levels that I wrote.
And then basically figuring out a realistic goal that still... seems important enough it's achievable but also valuable and it's not just valuable for the end the potential end result because I think there's huge upside for the potential end result not about money obviously I don't expect to get any money out of this but um
But if you can make the world a better place one person at a time, then making the world better is good for me. It's good for everybody, right? I want to live in a better world. But then on the other hand, even if it fails, even if it's a total failure,
it's something that is enjoyable while you're doing it. So it's not a grind. It's not a hardship. You know what I'm saying? So it works on every level. So it's something that's fun to do. It's always interesting to meet new people. And it's always interesting to meet people that have similar ideas.
And it's interesting to be able to debate ideas with people that have a similar communication protocol. So every single part of this is good. Like I enjoy every part of this. And meeting more people and getting those people together and being able to create, you're basically creating a community. It's like a proto-community. And that's a good thing.
People love creating communities. People create communities all the time. You know, a lot of times they try to build them into some kind of business or something. But that's, you know, I feel like that misses the point. Like, you want to focus on ideas. It's the ideas that are important. And then you just spread those ideas.
That's it. And it's not even a specific idea. It's just a framework for ideas. Just using logic. Focusing on logic and focusing on civil conversation. And I think the more people that do that, I mean, it's such a good idea. It's so obviously a good idea that, you know, I don't see any downside. Well, yeah, thank you.
Well, because that's the other thing is, like, I feel like when I was in my 20s, like, nobody cared.
Nobody... Nobody gave me good advice.
Like, everybody expected me to just figure out everything on my own. And I just felt like, and there were like one or two people that every once in a while they would sort of give me some advice. Like, I knew a guy. When I turned 21, I had a roommate, a guy that I worked with.
We got an apartment together because I didn't have any place to live. And he didn't have any place to live, so we got an apartment. But he was a Vietnam vet. And so he had a very interesting perspective on life, having fought in the jungles of Vietnam.
So I feel like he was able to give me some advice. But, like, none of my family members, my grandpa, you know, the normal people you would expect, like your parents or your grandparents, to be able to give you help and advice. Like, they didn't seem, they just wanted me to shut up and go away, you know.
So yeah, I like trying to give honest, good advice and basically trying to help make people's lives function better and help you maybe think about things in a more productive way. So yeah, that's something that I enjoy doing. Yeah, no, that's great, that's great, and I, you know, I'm glad, I'm glad you were interested in talking,
and we can talk again, I guess, at some point, and, you know, obviously, I got you online, you can chit-chat whenever, and I'll, you know, I pop in and out, but I gotta, I gotta take off, I gotta, I gotta head home now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, and we'll keep communicating.
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