WP was a dentist not a nutritionist and he based his theory on a few indigenous people. My research into indigenous people and diet has brought up some opposite findings like this one from a NAI
https://ivu.org/history/native_americans.html
Those pics you posted look like Scurvy to me which was found to be a lack of vitamin C back in the day, recently Jim West has stated that is also wrong and that it is a poisoning issue.
Vegans have been supressed for years. AR were the target of brand new laws even in UK (SOCPA) to stop us boycotting companies and exposing cruelty in the meat and dairy industries. Many were even banned from whole cities lol.
You say you don't want an argument? Looks like you just asked for one.
Gonna give a lazy answer now as this guy has done quite a bit of research on this too. I found him to be very thorough in all his research.
Yes I realise he is old school, science loving, and a germ theoryist but most of what he says I have found also. I don't disagree with everything WEP said as in processed foods are bad but it's the way the foundation has used his research for their own ends which is nefarious.
WEP's book was no threat to the medical industry but it WAS a threat to big AG and the big dairy industries themselves. Ironic really. They are promoting the very thing which tried to silence him. Why do you think they only go after the small producers (raw)? Same reason they've gone for all small businesses. Competition for the big corporations.
I'm not @lucylin (he loves an argument) and I went through all this arguing with vegans thing online nearly 20 years ago. Different people thrive on different diets - I get that...
But when you say eating meat is a modern thing "about 50 years" with no research to back it up, even I get a bit triggered.
I don't imagine you will look at this, but I have personally seen great results from people following this diet:
What Must I Do to Get Well? And How Can I Keep So? by Elma Stuart
This is a book about Dr. James Henry Salisbury’s Beef and Hot Water Diet Therapy for healing. It was observed to help everything from diabetes to epilepsy to rheumatism to gout to migraines to insomnia to asthma to cancer. This is the 25th edition of the book and was published in 1898. The first edition was published in the mid-1880s and each edition was larger and more comprehensive than the last.
The author was bedridden for 9 years with what today would be labeled Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. She went to 43 doctors in an effort to regain her health. None of their recommendations worked. She learned about Dr. Salisbury’s diet through an ad in her local newspaper and ordered his book The Relation of Alimentation and Disease.
A neighbour helped her to do the diet by purchasing, grinding, and cooking all of her meals every day for 7 months until she was strong enough to do it for herself. All of the meat was purchased daily (from animals slaughtered that morning) and ground fresh just prior to cooking. Interestingly, this would have prevented any significant formation of histamines in the meat. Elma says it took her about a year on Dr. Salisbury’s diet to regain her health. At the time of publication, Elma had eaten beef and hot water exclusively for 11 years.
The main difference between Dr. Salisbury’s diet and what the Zero Carb community recommends is that it prescribes lean beef, rather than fatty beef. Elma says that she has witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, of people recover from very serious illnesses using Dr. Salisbury’s diet.
To read the free PDF version of her book, click on the link below:
https://eatmeatdrinkwater.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/what-must-i-do-to-get-well-by-elma-stuart.pdf
LOL none of the recommendations worked. At that time I can imagine what they recommended - leeches, mercury and other noxious compounds? Did she try a raw vegan diet or fasting? Probs not invented yet.
I too have done the arguing online thing years ago and no it doesn't work which is why I don't do it. People will only change if they want to. And people who push nonsense diets like 'meat only' are mental. People have healed from type 1 diabetes in 4 weeks on plant-based. This poor sap took a year and basically ate beef soup. It's just a twist on the chicken soup thing lol.
I have seen mind boggling changes in our own customers health - in some cases just from reducing carbs and adding a few key supplements.
Jeepers - you are from Ireland - you must be aware of what eating lots of potatoes can do! There are several food groups that are frequently causing major problems - such as grains, nightshades, and soy products.
Any diet that cuts out those - all meat, low carb, or even vegan if it cuts out the correct problem food groups - can rapidly cause huge improvements.
So it may not be the extra meat so much as eliminating the potatoes!
You are aware of the potato famine in Ireland and how it caused mass starvation? Wow you really are something. What are you carnies going to do when the food shortages really hit? You are all too scared to eat healthy food as it supposedly causes sickness. So you'd rather starve or eat crickets? Listen to yourselves, really, it's pretty insane. I guess Adam and Eve must have been starving in the garden of Eden, maybe that's why they listened to old snakey? lol
Lol...yes i have researched several aspects of the Irish historical reliance on potatoes
Yes i probably would rather starve than eat nightshades, the pain they cause me is too severe to live with. There may be work arounds like slippery elm, but i havent been willing to test them on my delicate self...
But again you have changed the subject and avoided addressing the original issue.
What original issue? The 50 yrs thing? It was a guesstimate of when the carnivore thing started in earnest, for me it had to be Atkins who started it all off. He came to a nasty end didn't he, all fat and heart diseased. Then we had the keto nonsense and now full blown eat only meat and fat and salt oh and raw cow titty baby food.
The irish didn't rely on potato's they were forced to grow them (monocropping) for the brits and they took all the food to feed themselves leaving the irish with nothing to eat.
I never heard of anyone suffering from eating potatoes or tomatoes. I thought that old wives tale was put to bed 100 plus years ago.
The Atkins diet was a popular book that raised interest in the subject, but it was by no means starting anything off other than wider interest in that particular diet.
Dr Atkins was relentlessly attacked and libeled - think Andrew Wakefield level - he died of head injuries aged 72 and the entire internet is filled with bullshit stories along the lines of he was 200 lbs overweight and died of a heart attack. Meanwhile the real bullshit artists like Ancel Keys are glorified.
His book was not perfect, but nor is it the holy bible of diet - it was just a best selling book. It is often used as an easy target by vegans.
Absolute nonsense. Atkins diet was MASSIVE in the 90's. I even tried it myself!!! Not for long tho as it was ridiculous. Can you prove he died of a head injury and wasn't a fat beast who actually died of a heart attack, hitting his head on the way down??? Hilarious. It's obvious which story is true if you use your common sense and ditch the cognitive dissonance.
Using the old 'virus' ruse to cover up his obvious heart issues. Refused autopsy too!!
Your "dates" are appalling - if a virologist pulled this slop you, you would rip them a new hole!
The carnivore diet "started in earnest" a bit more than 50 years ago, lol - ask the Maasai!
And while you are asking them check out their health stats!
Oh hahaha yeh right you had to bring up the Massai didn't you. That whole nonsense was started by a white western film crew who filmed a COMING OF AGE ritual and passed it off as the regular diet of the Massai which is blatantly false. They are vegetarian till age 10 and women are completely veggie while pregnant. (Odd as you'd think they would need more protein lol).
The big study done on them was a study of autopsies.
"However, if you actually read the study, rather than rely on second hand sources who have selectively (mis)quoted it, you’ll note that it says “they were instructed not to collect tissues from subjects with wasting disease” - which is selection bias away from chronic disease - “Nevertheless, many of the men meeting these criteria were found to have chronic diseases”
Many chronic diseases is definitely not the same thing as “healthy”.
Also in that study, 42 of of the 50 hearts were from men younger than 60 …meaning almost all of their subjects died young (by our standards). That doesn’t seem to align with “healthy”."
Also "It is clear though that meat features only rarely on the Maasai menu. The main part -- more than 50 percent -- consists of vegetarian food. The preferred meat is that of sheep and goats, whereas the meat of traditional Zebu cattle is only rarely eaten. "A cow will only be slaughtered for ritual festivities by the Maasai," says Knoll.
Knoll conducted her study together with colleagues of the Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology of Juja/Nairobi (Kenia)."
They do not live to a ripe old age and they do not eat your 'carnivore diet' either. So double fail.
On a side note the Massai also ritually perform genital mutilation. Is that also a recommendation for a healthy life to you carnies?
You will just have to take it from me, nightshade sensitivity is not "an old wives tail" - it hurts like fuck!
sounds more like an allergy to me. Or possibly it's the chemicals used in non-organic methods.
They tried to tell me I was caeliac so couldn't eat wheat. I switched to organic only and had no symptoms so it wasn't the actual wheat at all.
If I was @lucylin minded I could go through your reply picking lines and pulling them to bits. Really I could!
eg - "the foundation has used his research for their own ends which is nefarious"
Say what? - they have republished his work, distributed it, and put it online. And they have been attacked relentlessly for doing so.
or "Why do you think they only go after the small producers?"
Do you really think WEF are going to stop with small producers? They just have to start somewhere.
or "WP was a dentist not a nutritionist"
What is a "nutritionist"? - whatever they are paid to be! Not being in anyone's pocket is a major strength not a weakness
But I'm nothing like @lucylin so I'm just going to post a picture of some biker dude!
yeh you probably could coz Lucylin wouldn't do that, he has bigger fish to fry than one little vegan trying to help the world. I don't push my views I only push back when the carnies push it. What's your excuse? Oh yeh you sell supplements.
Here's some superfit vegans that trump ur 2 bikers.
lots more where they came from.