RE: Marvelous Marvin Versus The Establishment

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Marvelous Marvin Versus The Establishment

in epistem •  2 years ago 

I would not say that the work of the committee has been in vain. It has been all that could be imagined in such long and continuous meetings. Interesting, exciting, controversial, flawed, ridiculous, funny, enlightening, entertaining etc.

People live on hope and in the times when the committee had formed, they seemed to be in dire need of it. For my part, I have always looked with two eyes and seen the full-bodied promises as what Füllmich also presented them as between the lines: As a strategy. The tactic of "I'm already acting like a winner" may be questionable (and I don't mind questioning it), but I wouldn't entirely deny the effect that such a thing created.

People were looking for something and found it in the committee. As long as the situation was so pressurised and acute, people were fine with being shown as optimistic and strong in the committee. I see it more as a social phenomenon than an organisation dealing with the tedious details of litigation.

They would never have found the time to be in front of the microphone so much. I have seen a direct case where someone was first assured of the legal advice of one of the committee members because of penalty notices, but he then pulled out and recommended a colleague who was then also unavailable.

In the end, my friend fought the case alone, without legal assistance. She won one case and lost the other. I was present at one of the three court hearings. It was an interesting thing, especially the attitude of the judge.

Many of the lawyers who were on the front line during that time were unable to deal with the many requests and so it was as it always is. You only take on people you know or get referred by close acquaintances. In the end, everyone is on their own.

The fact that the members of the committee are now fighting over money is insofar a sign of "the whole organisation can now dissolve", because those who fight over money have the luxury and the focus on that, no longer on the actual work.

The people who donated money to the committee did so voluntarily, no one forced them and I see it more as they were given money for the time spent than for the legal proceedings they hoped for. So they have received a surplus, as someone who has donated, I would weigh up whether it is worth pursuing or whether I am satisfied with the work that has been done so far.

If this committee had indeed been so deemed disagreeable by the authoritarian bodies, then they would probably have disappeared from the public stage much sooner, as has been the case with some others. The question is why they were allowed to do so. But you have to give them some credit, I think.

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I always saw the committee as gatekeepers myself and this was confirmed for us all when they finally interviewed Lanka. I warned people not to drink the hopium or donate the need for hope was very strong yes. It just brings it home that no-one is gonna save us, we have to save ourselves this time.


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

What do you mean by gatekeeper? For whom or what?

In this case I's say they were gatekeeping for the legal establishment, gathering 'evidence' but filtering out anything they deemed 'dangerous' to the whole establishment like the fact they never had a virus in the first place. I know I'm harping on but it is the key to this whole thing. Without it they will keep playing this game until that one thing is finally exposed. They are keeping the game going by not letting certain people in to play their card.


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I'm stunned that it can be seen that way. I for one have thought at many of the meetings that it is already way beyond what the establishment can bear. From a lawyer's point of view, it may be a matter of timing and one's own personal development as a lawyer on something this big. They were far more cautious at the beginning than they have become over time. You just underestimate that impact because you're very deep into the issue, how shocked the establishment was/is that you can even get the idea that there might be something wrong with the virus theory or AIDS, etc.

You can only hand a person as much responsibility as they are capable of holding. If you overtax him, he immediately shuts down, is unresponsive and stonewalls for all he's worth. Won't he?

This as not about public opinion or what the public can 'take'. It's about cold hard facts and the law. You can't have censorship in this scenario. There was censorship so it was a scam IMO.


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I beg to differ. It is all about the established view. What began a hundred years ago (or more), got foot into society and therefor the medicine sector, you will not be able to make go away altogether and maybe even not within your lifetime.
In order to change a worldview (which it is in my notion), strong like it is, you need a steady breath. And, despite things not taking up speed or are not as successful as one likes it to be, to not bother too much. In order not to wore yourself out or become fatalistic, for example.

For me, your argument comes across like this: You live in a house with several rooms, where you find a nice neighborhood, have water and electricity, but some leaky and old windows. You say that this house is all trash and the landlord has scammed you.

Füllmich stated that one of the interviews from which they recorded a session has not been streamed, because Ms. Fischer decided not to put it online. If that is true, I also find it a bad move and would also be pissed if others got no hearing. But I still argue that the rest of their work was worth it and payed into the greater movement itself. I see that you don't see it that way, so it's just two different judgements about one organization.

If I would dump everything where I find flaws as a scam, I would be very busy to find flaws and may oversee where there was the opposite.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

Did you read the German critique of the committee's Lanka interview?
It was clear to the 'no virus' camp (using the word camp loosely) that the committee was rinsing people for money and buying time before his interview confirmed it.
I was suspicious way back in 2020 when Fuellmich got himself arrested at one of the London demo's very publicly obviously to garner publicity and sympathy. I thought it odd that a top lawyer let himself be dragged away yet no-one else who spoke that day did.
It's easier to fool someone than to show them they've been fooled.
https://northerntracey213875959.wordpress.com/2022/02/09/carry-on-at-the-corona-commitee/
German version here: https://telegra.ph/Quoten-Kritiker-02-06


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