RE: Delegation Removal ~ Community Voting

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Delegation Removal ~ Community Voting

in blurtdevelopment •  3 years ago  (edited)

@the-gorilla

Whilst this is a necessary topic of conversation and a decision that you feel needs to be made, this question should not be being asked by a user who has repeatedly criticised voting bots and self-upvoting

As a society, we attract people (and in this case followers) who hold the same beliefs as us, which is why we're attracted to each other. Which means that importantly...

the result of any poll that you post will have a natural bias towards your own views and not necessarily those of the Blurt platform

It's also been presented in such a way that represents your own bias to the subject as you have not mentioned any of the advantages that delegations can bring, nor why the ability to delegate was created in the 1st place. Why were delegations created? I can't imagine it was with the intention of allowing bidbots to exist.

I delegate a proportion of my Steem (obviously a different platform) to help encourage new authors to post more, engage more and succeed. They are empowered by this and add far more to the community than I alone can do through their content, comments and support for other users.

I see that you have over 6.6m Blurt - yet you choose to try to use it all yourself instead of helping the Blurt Social System by allowing others that you have grown to trust to distribute your rewards ability more easily and more fairly.

Imagine what 66 users, all empowered with 100,000 Blurt Power could do compared to you alone.

Now THAT, would be sociable


I also notice that you are maintaining your record of 100% self-upvoting and not proposing to ban this practise.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I think you have no idea what he is doing with his stake...
And if a whale doesn't want to vote manually they can always use a voting trail and follow a good community curation account with x%
But having a vote buying account like upvu will hurt blurt a lot more. Just take a look at trending and you will see a lot korean copy/paste posts upvoted to trending by upvu. If thats your vision of blurt then we can bury it and hop over to steem

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Danke dir!
Zwei kleine Belege:
Meine letzten 300 Votes, 11,3% Selbstvotes

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Meine letzten 100.000 Votes, 21,4% Selbstvotes

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Bedeutet: Im schlechtesten Fall gebe ich 4/5 an die Community.
(Bei hohem Invest-Risiko für die Anlage meiner eigentlichen Altersversorgung)

Ich denke, wenn das alle machen würden, ginge es Blurt sehr gut! ;-)
Danke noch mal!

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Thank you for the patronising response.

I think you have no idea what he is doing with his stake...

It's an immutable blockchain. Where everything is seen. So perhaps you are blinded by what you want to see and also have no idea what he is doing with his stake...

What I see is that he self-upvotes 100% of his posts. Which is anti-social. And therefore extremely hypocritical.

But having a vote buying account like upvu will hurt blurt a lot more. Just take a look at trending and you will see a lot korean copy/paste posts upvoted to trending by upvu. If thats your vision of blurt then we can bury it and hop over to steem

I know the damage that Upvu can do. I'm on Steemit and see what's it's done and would have absolutely no problem seeing bidbots banned. But... the important parts of my reply (which you've chosen to totally ignore - perhaps I will patronise you by suggesting that you review your own blinkered bias when replying) are the good that a delegation can do and shouldn't be removed in a knee jerk reaction because the person who's proposed its self-upvotes are decreasing in value with each delegation that UpVu receives.

Steemit is in the process of removing posts that have been upvoted by bots from the trending page. That solves your problem of the trending page looking bad.

Perhaps if you took a bit of time to digest what's being said rather than what you want it to say, you'll stop encouraging people to sell their investment and actually help Blurt to grow.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

@double-u makes normaly 1 or 2 Post a week and if he self votes the 1 or 2 Post a week it is not bad . If he would make every day 4 Post and votes them with 100% that would be not good 4 sure .

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

@double-u says himself that self-voting is anti-social so why differentiate between 1 self-upvote and 10 self-upvotes? It's hypocritical.

I'm interested at what point you think @double-u's self-upvoting would not be good? I'm also interested in @double-u's opinion on this, especially having supported your comment (which implies agreement with your point).

1 post per week
2 posts per week
3 posts per week
4 posts per week
5 posts per week
6 posts per week
1 post per day
2 posts per day
3 posts per day
4 posts per day
5 posts per day
6 posts per day
7 posts per day
etc.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Why should I argue with you when you don't even read my comment properly. There you will already find my answer to your question.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

This is an important point of discussion and if you don't want to get involved in it, you shouldn't have chosen to reply.

I apologise for over complicating the question and including options that you had already eliminated. I will simplify the question for you...

At what point you think @double-u's self-upvoting would not be good? I'm also interested in @double-u's opinion on this, especially having supported your comment (which implies agreement with your point and having also recently asked the question himself).

3 posts per week
4 posts per week
5 posts per week
6 posts per week
1 post per day
2 posts per day
3 posts per day

You will notice the significant difference between the options.

It's important so that users know at what point @double-u will start a campaign to stop them from doing what they are currently doing. Am I safe at self-upvoting 3 posts per day as your initial answer suggests? Or should I stop before that point?

I eagerly await your response now that I've taken the time to be far more pedantic in my reply which I apologise for not realising was a basic requirement in communicating with you.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

If someone with doulble-u power would daily make 3 or 4 Post and would vote each of them with 100% that would not be good .
On the Other hand he makes every week his Pub a very important event here on Blurt .
Their People can make advertisment 4 post they think that they are important .
Chat with each other and a big part of these people that comment get a vote form Double-u . Werner votes Sunday,Monday and sometimes even on Tuesday people in the Pub .
So please do not pretend that he is only enriching himself with his votes

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Let's talk about me instead then. I've bought myself 50,000 Blurt with my own hard earned money. I want to self-upvote but don't know what's considered acceptable. 3 to 4 posts per day is considered too much so is 2 posts per day is ok? Or am I allowed more because I'm not very powerful?

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Unsocial are the people who constantly have to dictate what you can do and what not, or constantly spread bad vibes! @double-u makes more for the community than a large part of the people here who only whine and cry about a few % Selfvotes. Thought we are beyond the point that selfvotes do not give a damn if the community is not completely ignored. But it seems that the same monkeys from Steem and Hive always come over when the course of Blurt looks good.
Be glad that @double-u votes here on Blurt in the Communty and believes in the community (still).
He could also say "fuck you friends, I'm going home!" and he sells his blurt at the current price. With the total proceeds, he could make a daily return of over $800 through Osmosis Pools.
If it's all about the money, blurt is not the best place to go!

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PS:

And this from one who delegates his complete BP to voting services over and over again. That explains everything.

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the-gorilla delegate 5,001.085 BP to tomoyan 2021/12/05 14:02:3314,665,338 | 9f81f06
the-gorilla undelegate to tomoyan 2021/12/05 13:14:4814,664,392 | b22a0d9
the-gorilla undelegate to upvu 2021/12/05 13:14:3614,664,388 | 504ac0c
the-gorilla delegate 40,041.597 BP to upvu 2021/11/23 22:21:0914,332,915 | 5cf5c2e
the-gorilla undelegate to upvu 2021/11/18 20:13:2714,187,998 | 9dd4d93
the-gorilla delegate 5,008.424 BP to tomoyan 2021/11/14 19:38:2714,073,556 | 81509d5
the-gorilla undelegate to tomoyan 2021/11/14 19:36:2714,073,516 | 9b0e32a
the-gorilla delegate 15,025.275 BP to upvu 2021/11/14 19:36:0014,073,507 | 4721046
the-gorilla delegate 5,008.425 BP to tomoyan 2021/11/14 19:35:3914,073,500 | 69958af
the-gorilla delegate 10,020.491 BP to tomoyan 2021/11/09 16:08:2113,927,455 | ad043c5
the-gorilla delegate 10,020.491 BP to upvu 2021/11/09 16:07:5113,927,445 | bc756dd
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  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

And this from one who delegates his complete BP to voting services over and over again. That explains everything.

Yes! We finally have a winner!!!

I complained about UpVu when I first joined and put my investment on hold as a result. Then I delegate all of my Blurt to UpVu.

Am I being ironic, or just another hypocrite?

As everybody else has told me, it's my Blurt, and I can do what I want with it.

Oh hang on, no I can't.

You're not done making your point?

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Or perhaps you feign dislike for upvu?

I had thought the compromise reached had grandfathered you in, but maybe it stops you from giving more and you wish to find a workaround.

Either way, I stand by my supporting your right to use the service as it's your stake, an unpopular opinion I've advocated for weeks now as this topic has simmered.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

And having taken the time to look at Steemit and the profile I've been using there for 8 months, please also take the time to look at the delegations, the accounts I support, the charities I support, the users who needed financial help that I sourced and provided for them (even to the point that I'm a Godfather to a beautiful girl in the Philippines), the competitions I run for the community via that profile and @fpl-gorilla (including the Steem that I give away on a weekly basis) and the repeated comments regarding my disapproval for voting services and self-voting in general. Put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa, there's plenty there.

That was my vision for my time on Blurt.

So, my subsequent arrival on Blurt. An initial investment of 50,000 and some commitment of time. Full of hope that I could make a difference. Help to make it something that we can all be proud of by helping to fight against plagiarism, writing a nice, shiny new front-end that will make it stand out from its rivals instead of the same, generic looking reskin of Steemit and Hive.

So I join the community, take a look around at the content I'm interested in and think "oh, it's all plagiarised". I highlight a couple of plagiarised users but hang on, nothing's done about it. Nothing can be done about it. So there goes the fight against plagiarism. Fairly quickly, I reach the same mindset that took me 4 months to realise about Steemit - what's the point in highlighting something when there's no consequence? So I change my approach and decide to withdraw my commitment to dedicate time to Blurt. And decide to place the remainder of my investment elsewhere until things get better. At this point, my mindset changes and Blurt becomes more of an investment than anything else, which I want to maximise my returns from. Feel free to also review my timeline of activity here - you'll notice the comments, followed by the timing of my delegation to UpVu.

Delegating my Blurt to UpVu is a selfish act, which will only benefit me and UpVu. But when I look around and see almost every other user self-voting (including those that have been voted in as witnesses), when self-voting only benefits those that vote for themselves then I am no more selfish than them. I'll be sure to vote on a load of other stuff too, then my percentage of self-voting will be 0% and I can claim to be community conscious.

I have become a product of the society that Blurt has created. I have become selfish and self-serving which as you say, is my right to do so. When I first spoke to you and you shared your "freedom" speech, I took the time to read all of your deleted posts on Steemit from 4 years ago from your original account. At some point, you changed too. Actions of others change how we perceive the world around us. In this case, how I perceive and interact with the world of Blurt.

Yes, I will be delegating my entire Blurt holding to UpVu later today. This won't affect the quality of content that I choose to post. This won't make me start posting plagiarised content. And I am well aware that I am a hypocrite for doing so. On Steemit, I'll continue the activities that I had intended to do here, I'll continue my time commitment there and continue not to use voting services.

You're not done making your point?

Yes. Now, I am 100% done 👋

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I've just realised my explanation was totally unnecessary, but I'll leave it here anyway 🤷‍♀️

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

In addition, your reply also highlights an additional bias that this "survey" will inherently attract.

When I first replied, I was the 1st to disagree with the banning of delegations. I had the balls to say something others believed but were too frightened to say through fear of people like you attacking them. A bit like the voting system in many autocratic countries.

If this is how the decision to end delegation is made, it's wrong. The process is wrong. And therefore the outcome will be wrong.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Very good points on bias and appealing to those you surround yourself with.

Honestly I have seen the chatter but I have not had time to take on a big part of this conversation, as I am not usually able to attend the pub and when I have time to be online I am trying to catch up with curation.

I need to try to do a post tonight before it is too late.

I have seen mention of the "Pub" quite a bit, but have no clue what this is. Can you enlighten me?

I am concerned that those of us that delegate properly will end up losing that portion of their HP. I am going to start un-delegating some of my smaller accounts so I save some before this goes down. It does seem to be heading down a path that is going to hurt people. As I un-delegate with the smaller accounts it will have less of an impact on my ongoing curation projects and protect myself.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Please hold off on un-delegating. This is someone who is very well respected in the blurt community bringing this motion and vote but members of the foundation still have not indicated they will be going any direction on this. I honestly do not think delegations are going anywhere. You will also not lose any funds that you have in delegation on the off chance that it does.

The pub is a sunday night activity lead by double-u that centers around a series of conversational topics. If you look under trending each week it will usually be near the top.

No need to panic yet. I also thought of you when talking about curation projects we all know and love that will be hurt. I did not want to use your name though as I did not know your stance on this particular issue.

Thanks for commenting and seeking clarification.

thanks. You are welcome to use my name.

If this gets messed too bad i will just cash in my "chips"... I do not have the time or energy, and if I miss something happening my accounts could get hurt.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I 100% echo this sentiment.

However, I've been reliably informed that megadrive is strongly against this proposal and that despite double-u's personal opinion, this "survey" holds absolutely no weight and no action will be taken. I shared your concerns and started powering down too in order to protect my investment. I've now cancelled this action and have confidence that the user who wrote this post is just starting a shit storm without consideration for the consequences.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Thanks I will give you a heads up when I can.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Your post has been upvoted (21.73 %)


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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Thanks as always.