So, I was going to roll out a really cool Blurt promotion program today, but after checking the price , I decided now is not the time. Instead I see this very low price as an opportunity to up-grade the platform. I'm talking lets revamp this place, and those who don't like the changes can sell large amounts of blurt at a horrible price.
This will help rid the platform of the "weak hands" as they say in investment speak; while putting cheap Blurt in the hands of people that want to be here long term and help make this place grow. Now lets address two things that can help facilitate this exchange of cheap Blurt and give the platform an edge going forward.
Survey Question One: Should We Get Rid of UPVU?
Back when the price was around 3 cents some months ago, there was a hot debate over UPVU. I came out pretty neutral, but kind of leaning towards keeping UPVU. The main reason was I did not want to see large accounts who used UPVU suddenly drop millions of Blurt on the market and leave the platform.
For those new here, UPVU is a large account that people delegate to, to earn higher rewards on their posts. Since quality is not taken into account, UPVUers usually make low quality posts and don't interact with hardly anyone. Like zero engagement.
People using UPVU are incentivized to do so in order to maximize their own investment (blurt holdings); and it's theorized that some accounts are just bots running makeshift posts to mine Blurt.
Earning without having to post good content or socialize is not a good slogan nor a good selling point for the platform.
Now that the price is so low, I'm no longer concerned about an aftermath sell off from disgruntled UPVU users. I welcome it. I think the bigger picture concern is separating ourselves from other platforms. Just from a pure business standpoint...UPVU is on steemit, and there are similar things on Hive; so let Blurt stand out as the UPVU-free platform. Like, why not at this point?
Delegating your blurt to get more earnings on your posts than others who do not, never sat well with me. I get the whole property rights concept, but at the end of the day I feel it's a manipulation of the original clean "delegation free" 2016 steemit blockchain.
I personally think the delegation feature is great, but it's opened a door to "gaming the system". So my vote on this survey is to close the door to gaming the system and end UPVU by making it so only larger accounts can delegate to smaller ones or no delegation at all.
Survey Question #2: Should We Burn Some Tokens?
Burning tokens bolsters the price, and can even be incentive for others to buy. The big dilemma here is what tokens can we burn? @megadrive, @saboin, is there anything you can add here? Are there some tokens laying around somewhere that are essentially dead already?
Here is a morally debatable suggestion.... Should we burn the tokens of the accounts that have been inactive since day one of the blockchain?
For me this is a very tough judgment call. Under normal market conditions, with a healthy and growing price, I would say no. But since the price is down over 90% in just a few months. I say f^ck it. We have far more to gain than to lose at this point. So again I'd vote to burn whatever we can within reason.
For Those Who Disagree Please Note...
I want the price to go up and Blurt to be a growing and successful blockchain and crypto currency. I believe separating ourselves from our competition ...ie. no down vote, no stable coin, no upvu, even no delegation...separates ourselves from our competition. We need to give investors reasons to come here. What makes us different? What makes us special?
We also can go one step further, maybe we should separate ourselves from our past...like a new grand opening blurt 2.0 kind of thing. Then we go full promotion mode. That is my ideal vision going forward, and I really don't think it's out of grasp or a whole lot of work.
A final suggestion that wraps this pig together in one cozy blanket... how about we change the logo to something really bubbly and fun? Change the landing pages on the front ends. Change the lay out from grey to blue or whatever. Give them a new fun bubbly look. Lets think rebranding...BLURT = FUN, MONEY, and FREE SPEECH.... And then we roll out promotion programs, referral programs, and so on.
For everyone down and out about the price of Blurt I suggest welcoming it, and look at it as an opportunity. If you want to gain some influence here, now is your chance to get a lot of Blurt on the cheap. For those frustrated with earnings, I'd just lower your expectations for a while and accumulate. This is very much an investors/buyers market and it may stay that way for a long while.
Final final note: Please communicate respectfully. Naturally there will be a difference of opinions, and that doesn't mean people with the opposing views want Blurt to fail or are total pieces of shit. We're all in this together so the least we can do is speak to each other in a respectful manner.
Hey thanks for this post, you know it is really coincidental that internally we are debating whether it is a good idea to burn only exchange accounts that never honoured the airdrop to its users or to also burn every account balance that never transacted since genesis. If you can help get community consensus on that it would help. We will do a HF to at least burn the exchange accounts, which accounts for something like 170 Million Blurt.
Regarding UPVU, we already limit support for it on the official blurtwallet.com where users cannot enter in upvu and some others into the delegation field. @blurtbooster also doesn't vote on users that delegate to UPVU, but perhaps we need to advertise that a bit more as a deterrent with a positive spin.
Sadly changing delegations to only allow delegation to smaller accounts won't work, if I was UPVU I would simply create a UI, the user enters in their username, and the app directs the user to vote for a related trail account with smaller BP or creates a fresh account. This will lead to spam transactions, bot trails and more pressure on names being taken from the namespace.
It will also create an oligarchy where only whales can benefit from delegation and users cannot, so there will be whale club UPVU services that benefit only whales.
I think the way forward would be to penalise accounts that delegate to upvu or further reward ones that don't, example accounts that delegate to UPVU won't be eligible for airdrops, I will actually do that for the Gamestate airdrop, maybe there are other incentives and disincentives we can come up with.
Regarding the Blurt logo we tried to campaign the community to look at other options but most people selected the existing logo.
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@blurtofficial/community-feedback-fresh-blurt-logo-options
Thanks
simply making delegations automatically expire after one year would be an easy way of mitigating damage
in the same way hive made witness votes automatically expire after one year
100% we are planning to do witness vote expiry, delegation expiry is a good idea thanks!
Wow mega drive and world travel pro have rly turned into witnesses to be proud of now. Talking factually, looking for community consensus before acting. Thanks guys.
Burn the token on exchange accounts that never honored the airdrop is a good idea, this would remove a sword of Damocles from Blurt's head if one of them would decide to dump it (or their clients if they were to add the trading pair so late) and we can easily consider the expiration date passed for this airdrop. As I wrote this morning in a comment on this post I give my consent for mine that I should have had if Bittrex had added the BLURT/BTC pair.
For the delegation, as I wrote too, maybe blocking an account you delegate to upvote you is a potential way.
You mean like a witness delegation blacklist or something?
I mean when receiving a
vote_operationbroadcast add an "ASSERT" if theauthoris in the delegation list of thevoterto refuse the vote but maybe it would be too much consuming time on the treatment of the operation.How many C++ devs are in the Blurt core team?
Can circumvent by sending upvu a memo to vote on another preferred account. We have two adhoc C++ engineers.
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Yes but why?
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holy fuck, what is wrong with you
Pls read: https://blurtlatam.com/@megadrive/ri9xzm
that doesn't address account sovereignty
An account that has never been logged into, is dead... End of story...
and if you take those blurt tokens, all 175 million of them, and you recreate them somewhere else, so they can be USED by someone, then you've just expanded the AVAILABLE number of tokens in circulation by 175 million, which will drive blurt value LOWER
That is true... They must be burned and end of story!
Hi @megadrive @world-travel-pro In my opinion the unused airdropped Blurt tokens should be forfeited and it should be hard-forked. Then there must be a burn mechanism as well.
The idea of disincentivizing UPVU users by a way of your idea is also good, does this includes Tomoyan's "service"?
I also agree with the re-branding the Blurt logo although it doesn't matter especially if the value of blurt token had picked up considerably.👍
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The delegation idea is quite novel, but this other one will literally not have any impact on the price: how can it, those coins aren't being dumped, they are effectively out of the market.
This is indeed a great point and something worth pursuing!
Reading this makes me think of Art of the Deal, this is a mentality you share with Trump, if you don't know what I'm talking about try and find a pdf, if not I'll have to dig one out for you.
Indeed. Keep your eyes on your would be costumers, who you're selling to. What do they care about, etc.
Couldn't have said it better.
😅 OK OK, I'll stop being an asshat..
Thanks @baah Points well received. Glad you have received my last point there too! hahaha I wouldn't want that knife to fall out of your mouth and land on your own foot. lol
People going with upvu as it's more profitable comparatively. And also blurt allows delegating 100% BP from one account. So blurt management indirectly loves what happening. If they don't like that what they should do is not removing upvu. They should reduce the maximum allowed delegating percentage from a user account. For example 75% or 50% ... so investors have to curate to stake their rest BP. It will automatically encourage good content creators.
From my understanding doing something like that on one side of the platform, will mess other things up on the otherside of platform resulting in a net negative....but...Im not sure. @megadrive Im sure would have a far more clear answer, not sure how busy he is, but I think he may have mentioned something about this already somewhere in the this threat or another one.
@besticofinder, @world-travel-pro, our current plan to hinder UPVU is to set delegation expiry to 1 year and in the same HF reset all delegations to zero, so UPVU has to start again. Limiting delegation to 75% of an account BP is interesting, will discuss with the team.
Thanks @megardive. Your communication and sharing of information has been too notch lately. Im sure it s having a positive effect for you and the platform. In fact, i know its bringing many of your biggest critics back to the table with an open mind for you and the platform. You are doing a great job, lets keep it up!
Well said. Short and sweet!
how do you determine "quality"
perhaps you might take some pointers from @hivewatchers ?
I'll just drop this link right here regarding upvu
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@practicalthought/edification-corner-issue-4-why-services-like-upvu-are-good-for-blurt
As for burning the tokens, this will have zero impact on the value of Blurt. None of the tokens to be burned are on the exchanges and to be blunt, there just isn't the demand for the tokens already on the exchanges. To solve the valuation issue what must be isolated and fixed would be the demand for the tokens making their way onto market for sale. Until such a time as more than 100-1000.00 daily is being bought there will be no uptick in value.
I do think the tokens at the exchanges who refuse to list them should be burned, but only to avoid what happened at Steem, because it will have zero impact on Blurts value.
Really appreciate you chiming in a sharing the link. You are well known to have a pretty in depth knowledge of these things, so thanks again for sharing and I hope things are going well for you back in the states.
1 I don't think we can get rid of a certain account without crossing lines that the platform is dedicated not to cross. This goes back to property rights again which is something that has been commendable and respectful of blurt.
I think we all need to focus on promoting the best way to use blurt and that includes economics. Using your own stake is the best way to build it and creating quality content.
I think the major issue with this debate in the past is that the only option presented by those that left was to nuke delegation and that was not going to happen because delegation is a great tool in decentralization. Jacob for instance cant spend his time here any more and does not want to sell his blurt or have it sitting there and wasting vp. So he has delegated to me and others to help push that vote out to quality content. So I do have a conflict of interest here. But I also know that nuking delegation would nuke all community curation projects and this would hurt so many users.
So I think we continue to make it difficult to delegate to vts and make it more profitable for those that actually try to be a part of the community and this includes educating them on how to put their best foot forward.
2 Burning tokens is also a sticky one when looking at property rights. But the loophole here is that most of these large exchange accounts actually did not ever own any claim to blurt it was their users, so it is not actually theirs. I would not want to get into burning individual accounts just because they have not logged onto blurt or done any transactions, this could be an investment strategy for some. Also this could open blurt up to litigation which would not be good for PR.
The only other question is would burning exchange accounts blurt make it harder to get onto some exchanges. Could those massive accounts be used as a bargaining chip to get in the door of exchanges? Could they all be rounded up to buy favor with one exchange or used for liquidity on one of those exchanges?
3 By all means it is time for a face lift and unified marketing.
Interesting post, and thank you @leifasaur for this comment that explained a lot more for me (I've only been on Blurt a few months) And I had never heard of UPVU...
Since I've been shadow banned & blacklisted since 2015 I'm against any form of deletion in general...
I tend to focus on the Positive Options too, such as Delegation to appropriate Curators & Blurtopians who warrant up votes... Pro's far outweigh the Con's on the Delegation Tool in my mind anyway.
Burning of Tokens also seems like a short term solution that may hurt more than help in the long run.
Absafreakinglootly~! I've posted Too Many times about the need for Onboarding Guidance & Assistance for getting started on BLURT and @freakeao has stepped up to help in that respect with some awesome Account Generation tools, but we should not stop there, we should all seek to continuously improve BLURT's overall PR strength by making it EASIER TO ONBOARD NEW USERS on an ongoing basis and actually report our overall progress so we can better rally behind actions that support BLURT GROWTH
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I think they should consider making it free to join tbh the cost to engage already stops a lot of farming and spamming
Great addition to this post. Thank you so much for taking the time. And I'm glad we have people working on making onbording and creating accounts easier. As blurt grows, I believe there will be more people that have ability to make things happen. Everyone has something to add, but I do believe a key ingredient is simply communicating well and not getting hung up on our differences.
Please let me know your thoughts on this LMS article when you have the chance. Thank you. BLURT_OS_LMS_OB_Dapp https://blurtlatam.com/ibor/@cleanenergygarro/how-did-blurt-climb-to-the-top-10-in-less-than-1-month-blurtoslmsobdapp
Naaah. I think it's another layer of complication. People just need to communicate clearly and respectfully.
Well thought out as usual. You make great points and have great insights. Really appreciate you taking the time.
After reading through the comments and learning more about the topic, it seems more and more like this is to logical course to take.
So far, nobody is saying the logo and site design is a stunner that must be kept. Thanks for chiming in on that too ;).
Burn Token +1
A new corporate image. +1
A better marketing strategy + 1
The fees generated are currently burning, however the volume of transactions for our bad luck have decreased considerably, in addition there is a drain of content creators, I have seen very few publications or very few are made. Based on that volume of transactions the exchanges either reject us or say we will review in the future. Burning tokens is an idea that has been talked about for a long time and this is a good time to revisit this topic, there are millions of dead tokens that do not help the platform.
It is always good and necessary to renew the appearance of the sites on the internet but if you are a web 3.0, so it would not be bad to rethink a new concept.
As for marketing, I recognize that a lot of work has been done to make a lot of spaces available, by collaborators, members of the foundation, developers and witnesses. The point against is that it has not been something organic and we only have a small group of people involved in social networks, but little by little they are building something in marketing.
Much respect to you @freakeao. Seems like so many of us are on the same page. I'm looking forward to seeing how things go over the next two to four weeks; and if things seem right I plan to roll out some promotional programs that I have in mind.
Now may be good time to ask. Do you know what when I post from your site blurt.latam it doesn't not work and I get a white screen. Same with my girlfriend here, but I have never heard of anyone else mention this....
Really appreciate the time and your response to this survey....
Delete the stored cookies in the browser, the data stored for Blurtlatam. This happens sometimes with some updates. Before deleting data or delete cookies. You can try Shit + control + R to refresh the browser. Otherwise do the original instruction.
Thank you, I'll go ahead give that a try....
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Hive and STEEM are manipulated chains... One run by the CCP with no direction... The other managed by a handful of deviants who Flaggot the community, Rape the Rewards Pool, and Ponzi their Pegged Shitcoin.
BLURT removed the Downvote, removed a Scam Pegged Shitcoin, got rid of the reputation score, and cleaned off the database. Yet even with these hard coded improvements BLURT is still susceptible to harassment and influence peddling. This is why it's currently on sale and useful to a Better handful of users who know how to use it proper 🤬🥓
Let's keep it out of the hands of the LibTardOs and begin facilitating a better management base which works within the witnesses.
Having a witness changes the game.
Thank you for your support Mr Bacon!
Yes, the thing is, nobody owns Blurt Blockchain. It is what we make of it. If a bunch of smart business people flood the scene with there presence, money, and influence.....well, that is what we would want right.....
Look at it THIS way
The Queen is Dead... 🤬
PUNK Ain't 🥓
I like my Bacon with panCakes and maple SyRUP! =)
Solar in the community should openly operate now on 24v low voltage DC... Like the new HAM radio Club 🤬🥓
Running Over a pair of Ethernet cables. Backyard Staking from Tents to Shelter... Under SCADA standards at the highest possible recording speeds.
Radio Shack
please explain why you or anyone else might think such a scenario might be considered "a good thing"
Simply because I like money and I think if this were to happen both you and I would have more of it and everyone else on this platform.
This might be the best post I have stumbled across in my short time here.
I agree with letting the weak hands sell and be gone. If it were not for the weak hands I would not be well on the road to nearing 100K BP within a short week. I want more and I am invested in this platform. Therefore I am happy for them to sell. I will do my best to buy what I can
Answer 1 I do not like the sound of UPVU one little bit. I can imagine the army of bot driven LoQ content that would arise from getting those votes regardless. I agree to get rid of this system.
Answer 2, burning tokens can work. I am ambivalent here but lean toward yes.
And for the last part. Brand Brand Brand. that can make or break a business and I think the place could do with a makeover.
I see a lot of sense here
Thank you very much for the kind words and and direct answers.
@megadrive I know you cited this https://blurt.blog/blurt/@blurtofficial/community-feedback-fresh-blurt-logo-options and that people were content with how the logo is.
If you don't mind, I've got a feeling that I may be able to spur on some new fun and creative logo design; via a contest of some sort.
It can be fun, engaging, where people enter Blurt Logo designs and color schemes or what have you. The winner will have their logo used, or declined I suppose....But non-the less there will be a prize and winner decided by a panel like Americas got tallent....or the witnesses, or the community with a straight vote. I certainly agree with @thegolemseye that now is a great time to give Blurt a make over. It also makes sense that if we do that, we do it before putting a lot of effort into promotion. Furthermore if the logo used comes from a community contest, that alone puts a vibe out that Blurt is very much owned and operated by no one individual....and people like that.
Thanks for raising these points, and taking the time to comment Golemyseye! I hope you can become a whale on the cheap. I see more people with your mindset joining the ranks as things move in the right direction.
I hope I can become one too on the cheap. Even if the price rises, I still intend to become one, but establishing a bedrock on some cheap tokens would be nice.
What number of tokens characterises a whale? I will know if it is a feasible target!
I like your thinking above, establishing brand before pushing out publicity is a huge advantage. It can easily be seen as a rebrand , a fresh look. Every brand needs dusted down occasionally
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Alot has been said about moving blurt forward, yet the price keeps dropping. Am really afraid now, some people are powering down, even those I thought won't. Is anything the problem here?.
Check other platforms and see how same people here are active, powering down here and buying other coins, even some witnesses.
Now I see why power down takes 13 weeks on hive but 4 weeks here, so easy, why won't people sell off at anytime and also one post been posted like 4-5 platforms. My suggestion is this, I think is high time the team implement some standard rules.
On hive there are no free votes, you earn it.. but here is so easy, why won't people sell off with ease.
Thanks to @ctime, @blurtbooster, and some others, your really helping the Blockchain but Blurt needs to wake up..
God bless!
what rules might you be inclined to suggest ?
Thank you so much for taking the time and bringing further awareness to such things. Very much appreciated.
I think spending too much time ridding the platform of many things just distracts from focusing on things that make it better and attract new users and investors. I’m personally sick of seeing ppl. Spend months on silencing Lucy Lin/ working out how to basically take one person off a site... that’s just an example. I think if the site was far busier and the price higher people wouldn’t even be zeroing in on single accounts, they would jsut be a small fish in a sea. These things are only so obvious on blurt cause there is a small user base.
There's many ways to look at that, one is that they cared about this place to a fault. Lucilin would have left had they known how to get his supporters to see that he's not worth it. I am on hive with -8 rep, I wouldn't stay if I had to spend hive to post, yet here nobody can downvote me and effectively drive away my supporters. The reason I still post on hive is clearly not for rewards but because I can continue to break balls and take names because I still believe in the place, in spite of the flaggots. Here it's different, here it hurts to go toe to toe with me, if you hate my guts it's best to ignore me, or you'll feel a little more pain than simply spending time with me, and nothing hurts more than humiliation and a little money loss.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zQopLQq5Zjs
I agree if ppl just ignore ppl they think are causing trouble they fade away giving so much attention makes them stars.
Hive has no chance imo I saw that corrupt group from 2017 they have gotten too powerful unless Elon musk joins or something it’s over
For real, far too much wasted time on that individual. Yes, I agree, we need to focus on big picture stuff. That is why in this post I'm focusing in on making some potentially big changes with UPVU, burning tokens, and a front end make-overs and then rolling out promotional programs and so on....Always appreciate your input!
The German community has long fought for Blurt to be different from Steemit or Hive.
I still have IDUVTS in my account today.
It just means that I do all the voting myself and don't use services like Upvu.
But since I've largely lost the desire to use Blurt, even I'm questioning it,
if I should make the effort here at all...
Blurt used to be a great blockchain for many of us, and we supported it in the worst of times.
We were not thanked for it, quite the opposite....
Thank you so much for you witness vote! Interestingly enough, I was on my way in right when the German community was on their way out. So it's hard for me comment as if I fully understand all that went down. But one thing that I do believe this blockchain has going for it is that even as some things don't work out and sadly an entire community of people left, others have come in, joined the witness ranks, have gained influence, and are now trying to make this place evolve and grow into place where BS like before does not happen. I'm hoping we get more business minded folks like myself invested to help steer this thing in a successful direction. That being said, I certainly understand your frustration. Thanks again for the vote and taking the time to comment.
We got through the tough time we had in Blurt back then together and even invested because we believed in Blurt.
During that time you couldn't even upload pictures and a lot of other things didn't work either.
But it was still fun because we all pulled together and the mutual support was great.
"Blurt to the moon" was a nice thought and in the pub you always got the important info on Sunday night and we had a lot of fun too.
I give you my vote because you still believe in Blurt and are committed.
Dear Elli,
I hope you are doing well. I have been looking for ways to contact you to ask you a question. I hope that you don't mind me asking it here.
I am the co-founder of another blogging platform called Serey.io. Just like Blurt, we are a graphene blockchain based publishing platform. Besides blogging we have also built a "fundraising" page.
We are interested in starting a German community and are looking for a community manager who would like to make it a pleasant place for German people to share content and to have interesting discussions. I saw that you also have a fundraising project and therefor thought that you could be suitable for this role. Would you be interested to collaborate with us? And can I tell you more about this?
This is completely free. We will actually delegate quite a significant amount of Serey Power to you.
Thank you,
Chhay Lem
Thank you very much for the offer.
My big problem is time.
I already have too little of it and cannot do many things the way I would like to.
There are probably some changes coming up for us next year,
so this condition will get worse.
That's why I'm not in a position to get involved on another blockchain.
Nevertheless, thanks again...
If you're looking for something to burn, check the top 8 here https://ecosynthesizer.com/blurt/richlist, tokens from exchanges obtained at initialization that didn't integrate BLURT on their platform, I give you my consent for mine that I should have had if Bittrex had added the BLURT/BTC pair.
Don't blame the tool, blame the user ;) There is no tool that can not be hijacked from the use for which it was created and the delegation is part of it, well used it is a very good booster of communities. Maybe blocking an account you delegate to upvote you is a better solution (and at the same time the upvote of an account to itself to block the self-voting).
But all this must not make us forget that we must also work on innovation, gamification and external communication of BLURT.
I like your ideas and your clear communication. I'm currently voting for your witness and I think others need to take notice of your know-how, excellent communication, and this post here....
https://blurt.blog/blurt/@nalexadre/let-s-be-blurt
I can also see in this other post below, that you have a lot of self respect for you and your family, and in this day in age that goes a long way.
https://blurt.blog/blurtlife/@nalexadre/time-for-monk-ordination-and-military-service-for-my-son-thailand
I think we need more people like you up in the top twenty putting time into making this a better place.
If you do a post about why we should vote for your witness, I will be happy re-blurt it.
Thanks for the support and your nice comment :) 26th, I'm not far away, I still have to convince enough people to get the missing 1 million Blurt of support, maybe when I will finish my tests to release the first version of beblurt it will help to get them ;)
I think that's a good idea. Make sure to let me know when that happens. I'll re post whatever you need....
According to me, removing UPVU is not good at the moment. Yes... that account destroys the quality of the platform by voting higher votes for useless posts. But if we are going to do something for UPVU now, we will see huge power downs and I am sure no one can stop blurt price being lower than 0.001 $. So better to keep this account as it's.
But I think if the blurt team can come up with some discussion with the Upvu team regarding the quality of content, we may be able to do something different.
Regarding the Burning process, I don't think there may be an impact on whether we burn to blurt in unused exchange wallets. Otherwise, that may lead to some black marks on blurt too because Accounts should own only by the owner. if we need to burn blurt, it should be from exchanges that may lead to some changes in price.
You make some excellent points. And I'm feeling quite confident the top decision makers are taking all this into consideration. Seems like things are a bit more complicated that on the surface. However for me, I have not problem with the price going to total worhtlessness in the short run, I think some party or person will see an excellent opportunity to gobble up a ton of Blurt on the cheap and make this place better in the long run. But we'll see. Good to see a nice comment from you @randula hope you are well there in Sri Lanka!
Price is not a problem for me too. But when we are going to do something for upvu, we need to consider about current users of upvu service. So if we stop the upvu service, users will power down and that will badly affect the blurt price.
That s kind of my point. If we were to do something about upvu, now would be the time to do it, while the price is low. If they sell here, it would be less damaging than when the price was 3 cents.
I think the overall value of the platform itself would increase with a less bots, more people approach. Look at the purchasing deal of Twitter as an example. More bots equals less value. Turns out twitter is loaded with bots. let's not be like that. Let's be real.
That sounds like some solid common sense if you ask me. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the topic. Much appreciated!
I think the phenomenon of tokenization started to gain momentum with the idea of making money by doing absolutely nothing.
But all those who sponsored, invented and/or promoted that idea to the point of exhaustion are also responsible.
Supporting with our vote a testimony to boost the platform is one thing. Speculating to earn money without doing anything is another.
The lack of interaction is very big. Unanswered comments, banal posts.
Regarding the exhorbitant remuneration of certain posts in relation to others of much higher quality but with less value I think it is something that is transferred from the very beginning of Steemit.
There is no doubt that the big whales have in all these platforms multi-accounts that belong to themselves as in Hive thus creating black and white lists.
The problem is the large number of unaware people who run after them.
You raise some good points. I really appreciate you taking the time. The crypto world in general is a strange place, with a lot of people wanting to get rich quick, so do, some lose everything, and here we find ourselves all mixed together interacting on social media tokanized crypto blockchains.
If burning some tokens will be the solution to some problems here. Why not?? Let us burn them! I understand your point. Interaction is one major activity that is needed on the platform. It amazes me when I see meaningless post with so much earnings. I begin to wonder how they do it. I say no to buying upvotes!
Appreciate you speaking up. Thank you for that....but where is your profile image??? hahaha I've seen you around, commenting. I think you'd be helping yourself to put something up, even if it's the image of a south park character ;)
burning YOUR OWN tokens is an option
burning SOMEONE ELSE'S tokens is NEVER an option
Removing accounts is bad form. Should never do that. Removing certain abilities for certain users is not the way for things to be done. Make the rule apply to everyone, not rules for thee but not for me.
I really appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts on the topic. The more voices the better. You're points certainly do have validity, that can not be denied. I hope your comments will or already have been taking into consideration from the one's at the top.
Agree completely this is exaclty my point I don’t mind rule changes but not specifically targeting anyone
can't be worse than twitter
the "selling point" is FREE-SPEECH
Exactly!
Delegations are a tool , don't blame @upvu for using it the way he does .
The code allows it ,.. it's how others work to ,.. @blurtbooster , get's 35 mil ,.. @techclub 200k , all delegated ,.. same shitty curation trail most of the time to . So does it matter who they get there delegated stake from ? ,.. nope .
So yes , nerving the hell out of delegations would help a lot .
Like delegated coin count's for only 10% of the total delegated coin's as VP .
I don't know ,.. be creative ,.. i didn't invent this place . ;-)
did everyone just suddenly forget what freedom actually means ?
I think it is an automatism. Something is put up for disposition and people answer because they were asked.
It happens, that people answer without thinking more deeply about the question (happens to me, too, when I am not aware). And then it may only occur to them later that they have decided on something that in principle means restricting freedom. Where you can do something once, you can then do it as often as you like, is also a phenomenon that can then occur.
I think one has to be careful as hell when setting agendas whether one doesn't put something up for discussion/disposition that already scratches at the freedom that everyone actually wants to have with their account.
Personally, I don't understand the low interest in my proposal of systemic consensus. One could save a lot of time and the immense reading material would be spared for those who do not have the time and leisure to read the many comments under a witnesses call to vote on a topic. After all, not all users are as active and involved as those who are.
It would be like a short protocol and a saving of work and time for the witnesses. Maybe you could also promote my systemic consensus method on your blog, I'm always amazed how little people are into alternative methods even though they seem so interested in participation on the blockchain.
If you want to support it, let me know and I'll send you the links again.
please, send me your links and i'll take a look
https://hive.blog/steemstem/@erh.germany/groupthink-a-systemic-view-on-group-decisions-and-consensus
https://hive.blog/politics/@erh.germany/take-part-in-an-experiment-systemic-consensus-how-can-people-better-participate-in-democratic-processes
We've already talked underneath one of the blog posts back in time :)
we probably need to expand the required consensus witnesses from 18 to more like 180
:D, if that would be the case, the platform certainly would need a quicker way to come to terms with governance, both within the circle of witnesses and with the community.
So, a voting method would be needed, for sure; preferably apart from majority voting, which sucks. Even now it get's difficult.
What I always find very insightful about all of this, is, how difficult something like democracy/group arrangement is. The moment you ask many people for their decisions it needs so much steps to finally have a result. Doing it "ourselves" we can see the struggles and this is probably what all those politicians face, too. Too many things to decide on, very complex.
and i loved your example of what we call "musical chairs" but with the chair sharing - a million times better
What a lovely name, thank you. "musical chairs"- smile.
Yeah, so much more fun, is it!
are you familiar with HOLACRACY ?
also, SWARM INTELLIGENCE
https://odysee.com/@LOGICZOMBIE:0/SWARM_INTELLIGENCE:6
I think I am not, or maybe, not sure.
I will have to postpone to look at it. Right now I am tired. Between all the packing and carrying stuff I try to relax on blurt. But now I am collapsing into my bed. We are moving to a new place... Oh, I guess, I told you. Tomorrow the heavy things are going to get loaded into the truck.
vielen dank
gern geschehen :)
Freedom ,.. the downfall of civilization . ;-)
no kidding
You’ve crept up a place froma. Few of us narrowing out vote
I certainly have, and I appreciate it a whole lot!
I would need some time to think about most of the things you propose to vote on. And yet I would probably have problems making decisions about them in the way that they should ultimately become clear to me.
I've had a proposal in my quiver for a long time that's great for voting, and it's called "consensual voting".
I have written two longer articles about it on Steemit and Hive. In essence, the choice is not between yes or no, but it is a scaling method that is about the least amount of inner resistance that you determine on a scale of 0-10 to arrive at an answer for yourself to a given question. In order to give a vote which feels right.
The results are amazing, partly because you get the greatest possible consensus from it that you can get in large groups.
One is spared the typical frustrations of defeat and the strutting winners of a majority vote.
Please tell me if you are interested in learning about this method (once understood, it is easy to implement). And I will send you the links to my corresponding blog posts.
If I find the time, I would formulate the issues in your survey into scaling questions myself, but I'm moving and I'm tired as hell.
Please send them, I'm sure there's other's who are interested.
Thank you. Here are the links.
You can skip the first paragraphs and can read on where I explain the method of systemic consensus voting.
https://hive.blog/steemstem/@erh.germany/groupthink-a-systemic-view-on-group-decisions-and-consensus
https://hive.blog/politics/@erh.germany/take-part-in-an-experiment-systemic-consensus-how-can-people-better-participate-in-democratic-processes
I think that's a great way to come to actual consensus. Thank you for sharing it!
It's certainly more involved than simply yay or nay when it comes to picking proposals but it will certainly make the effort worth it by the increased fidelity with which actual consensus can be decided. It seems every proposed idea would need to be more thoroughly qualified, and solutions offered from a "most probable list" which would need its own brainstorming.
I'm glad you've looked into it. Thank you very much.
Indeed. It is noticeable that when one engages with the method that more care goes into the formulation of the question/suggestions. Yes, brainstorming on this I think is very helpful because you automatically think about more alternatives as opposed to those that have yes/no or either/or answers by their nature.
Whenever there is a third or fourth etc. position listed, you realise how much more diverse the issue is that you want to find consensus on. I definitely noticed it when I was thinking up examples to familiarise myself with the method.
I'm not sure I would have the time, and you are tired as hell. So up to you....to share with others here or not. I appreciate you taking the time. The scale method seems interesting, but like my style of communication, this is as much an open discussion as an actual survey :)
If something is an open discussion, it has no certain conclusion, is what I think.
Now, did I understand something wrong?
You gave questions to which the community can say "yes" or "no", right?
If it will be discussed openly, the changes can either be postponed or there won't be a conclusion on your given matters.
Now, I would like to know, if you have (enough? how much is enough?) answers, you will then direct them to the other witnesses and the foundation members to discuss them further, or is this then a "go" on the desicions made?
Wouldn't it then be of interest, how many users are active on total and to give them a certain notice, so they can also give their desicions? Would then the blurtofficial account be the more appropriate one, where the votes are gathered?
If nothing of this kind is important, I see no point in further involving myself.
If you are not sure if you will spare the time, then I interpret it as "I am not interested". Who, if not you, can be sure?
I had already one asking me for the links, so I provided them. Why would I give the links if no one would be interested?
For burning, there's going to be no benefit of burning stuff unless we are removing it from markets and burning it(buying and burning). We could try some different ways of burning tokens, maybe pool a dCity together and use proceeds from that for buying then burn what is bought.
And since Blurt is pretty reliant on Hive and Hive-Engine especially, we could set up a hive-engine witness node which the proceeds from will be used to buy Blurt and burn it.
YES...yes to all, do the lot, its make or break time...
Frot for logo design!
Omg yes I would love a frot logo 🤣💪🏻
I was serious. So fuck you!
Emily tries, but misunderstands
Lolol
I agree with what you say, my ideas about the survey are in line with yours.
Good to know! Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
just a little reminder for you my friend, you have to update your witness node ;)
And yeah your ideas have some good points, so regarding UPVU he ist one of the mentioned powerdown accounts from @outofthematrix, and when I got it right in mind he was one of them who powers down in full, so in 4 weeks this problem will be gone (if there is not some more hidden accounts from him) ;)
Hey buddy. All good. Yes, the 8.1 version. That was actually discussed weeks ago with saboin and tekraze. They agreed that it does not matter and @rycharde's wintess @busbeq is 8.1 also and he's been here from the start. What I will have to do though is the next fork update, that is for sure. But thanks for noticing, but I assure you it's all good.
Yes, as @practicalthought sites UPVU is not a be all and end all issue.
Painting a building up with pretty colors without any solid foundations is not a strategy, it's desperation to make something fundamentally fragile, look like something it's not.
Fix the foundations.
With juvenile witnesses acting like this :
(link below - with full details - I'm not referring to @world-travel-pro here..) ...blurt is beyond screwed.
https://blurtlatam.com/blurtnews/@lucylin/my-reply-to-world-travel-pro-if-these-are-your-blurt-business-friends-you-don-t-need-any-enemies-lol
No offense, but you have turned out to be an incredibly nasty, negative, and mean spirited person. A total disappointment. I would never have supported you for one minute all those months ago if I understood that your main thing is feeding on negativity and drama, while making fun of others relentlessly. Seems pretty clear why you are your age without a pot to piss in other than your earnings from this platform, which is frankly scary to imagine. Look in the mirror, take a good look at your life, and think about why you can only afford eggs to eat as a westerner in one of the most affordable countries in the world.
Your attitude sucks and so do you. I'll be ignoring you for now on. Cause you add nothing.....but negativity, sliced and diced with a whole lot of your know it all arrogance. Good luck Lucy Lin, it will be interesting to watch you burn down the last of your bridges. I just hope suicide is not an option when you are down to your very last penny, cause it seems like that is the direction you are going. Not to be so dark but I've already watched you commit a slow suicide of your reputation and likability here on Blurt, it was totally retarded, unnecessary, and self sabotaging. Now my final words to you....go fuck yourself.
Yep, he's a psycho... 👍🏽
The thing is that he is clearly a very toxic person. On the macro level, his constant talk about how much Blurt sucks is toxic and negatively effects the platform. On the individual level people get wrapped up in the energy sucking arguments and pissing contests with him instead of get things done. Meanwhile he's acquired more enemies than anyone here by far. Then most sad thing is, on the level his own personal self, his toxicity has led him to being all but penniless in a foreign country. A very scary situation and I kind of feel bad for him in this regard. But it's his series of decisions that got him to where he is.
The only way I know how to get toxic people out of my life is to ignore and distance myself from them. It's just destructive vampire sucking energy, and it's best to get as far away from it as possible.
But I must say, he does often make some good points.....he's just off the charts antagonistic upon making them.
I agree I would call for collectively ignoring as I always have.
You are absolutely right 👍 The DH isn't worth it...
if you don't support speech you disagree with, you don't support free-speech
One can support the speech while acknowledging the poison of it and ready to re-act or even act preemptively upon that speech.
Supporting the right for someone to say that
as they lay at your feet a bloody shell of their former self because you supported their right to be a dumbass and tell you who they were and you acted to prevent their stated intent to cause you harm.
Free speech yes. But that does not mean one just ignores what is being said if it promises/produces harmful results.
Nor does supporting free speech mean one pretend to agree as that would infringe on ones own free speech/autonomy.
I saw nothing in the reply by WTP that was not supportive of lucylins free speech. His declaration was that he finds it toxic and is choosing to no longer allow it to be front and center in his area of attention. Free speech does not mean one has free reign to command anothers attention. It means they can say what they want and those who wish to hear it will, those who don't can shut them out.
We'll call that freedom to exclude as much agitation in ones life as one can. :)
anyway,
that's why the mute button was invented
can you imagine trying to "clean up" the entire internet ?
what kind of enforcement mechanism would you personally prefer ?
I don’t think anyone is saying to block him tho, we even stoood up for him in that regard I just wish ppl would stoP giving so much attention at the expense of growing the Site. Let’s collectively decide to stop from today.
Who needs the mute button when you have balls of steel! lol
I support his freedom to speak whatever he wants, and I also support my freedom to say what's coming out of his mouth is absolutely toxic to not only the platform and the people on it, but especially himself.
Same as everyone is targeting you lucylin at the expense of the platform you are doing to others just honing in on a user relentlessly. If ppl rly want to make the place better DO SOMETHING... hold money don’t cash out all the time, buy more, apply to be witness. No point bashing every single witness and not stepping up yourself. It’s absolufey pointless just making post after post about someone only 5 ppl read. If you rly dislike the way ppl are acting try and redirect it a bit. World travel pro and out of the matrix did that. They had issues with management and so they applied to be a witness. I’m going to do it too. If ppl don’t like us or vote fine that’s ok obviously not enough people agreed with our vision. But it’s better than just making post after post moaning about every single person.
https://blurtlatam.com/blurtnews/@lucylin/awww-bless-world-travel-pro-has-lost-his-mask-another-witness-reveals-it-s-getting-ugly-folks
https://blurtlatam.com/blurt/@ctime/i-ts-not-lucylin-dumping-fake-tokens-on-exachanges
ctime in blurt • 2 hours ago
Stop blaming @lucylin for BLURT price drop.
Two months ago I have stopped investing in BLURT but megaverse and his team didn't stop selling "printed tokens".
That's the whole secret of the "BLURT market collapse"
Lucylin is innocent, start using blurtlatam and read his posts with understanding. He is not my or your enemy. In fact, he is one of very few, who keeps me on this "wokechain".
btw, my upvotes are much higher when you post from blurtlatam
Ctime is useful he has invested more money than anyone here, held it even when threatened, curates well and he only talks about blurt issues. He doesn’t pick on particular users for their silly banter or conversation or go digging around about theIr personal life etc . He’s totally different he makes very to the point direct conversation about important issues. I totally back @ctime. World travel pro and out of the matrix defended you at the expense of their own wallet, have pretty similar views and you make all these stupid posts about thek cause they put one sentence you didn’t like.
...Are you still becoming/already, a witness... ?
Did you know the earth is about 93 million miles from the sun ?
If you multiply that by about 10 x - it makes it about 930 million miles.
The distance of that second number is not even close, when compared to how far away it is that you are , from the conclusion that you've drawn above.
My actual motivations - and what you think my motivations are - are galaxies apart - entire bloody universes in fact...
This weird secrecy, ‘oh I’m working on something so important that No one knows what I’m doing’ stuff is pathetic honestly. The answer is nothing. It’s an online blog and we are bloggers. There is no top secret massive agenda that you can’t tell anyone. If you are doing something tell people or just keep quiet and do it. This ‘I’m working on something so intelligent and mind blowing I can’t tell anyone’ all the time stuff is just so boring. Leave it out with me.
How's it secrecy?...I've already told everyone..
I told everyone - I'm making a non social media website.
Period.
I cant leave you out, not if you're gonna be witness soon!...responsibility and accountability and all that...
Thankfully with you joining the cabals ranks, at least we'll have one adult in the room.
I think building a website is great idea, good luck with that, if we don’t like something doing something to make a change is always the way to go. Any niche we have you can guarantee there will be others out there they want the same. How is it none social? Is it just for your own stuff or designed to be a blog? Will it be a money generating platform?
Secrecy doesn’t work well for me I like good honest communication or think people should just keep it to themselves. Nothing is more annoying that talking about hypotheticals I don’t have time for it.
Let's pretend the last bit wasn't there..
Are you suggesting we boot them or reeducate them? Or do we "will them with all our might"? I know he won't answer, so anyone else have any suggestions?
If we take your comment at face value.. Why are you here, if your opinion of this place is so little and its so definite?
Foundations are principles, not people.
Foundations are ideas, not people.
Foundations are truths, not people.
Code is the truths, the ideas, the principles, the Basics, THE BASIS, the Foundation.
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