Proudhon’s critique rested on two key concepts. Firstly, property allowed the owner to exploit its user (“property is theft” ). Secondly, that property created authoritarian and oppressive social relationships between the two (“property is despotism”). These are interrelated, as it is the relations of oppression that property creates which allows exploitation to happen and the appropriation of our common heritage by the few gives the rest little alternative but to agree to such domination and let the owner appropriate the fruits of their labour.
Proudhon’s genius and the power of his critique was that he took all the defences of, and apologies for, property and showed that, logically, they could be used to attack that institution. By treating them as absolute and universal as its apologists treated property itself, he showed that they undermined property rather than supported it.
Proudhon was “the greatest intellectual influence on French socialism”
Sorry i am a ANCAP and not a ANCOM ,. there is a big difference ,.. like a communist anarchist's is not by far a agorist , or working on strict voluntary base .
The communist "anarchist" does not like the ANCAP ,.. the commie anarchist is looking for a free ride , as that is what he believes to be a good social construct . Free market and trade is not in there book ,..
As a agorist i see the contradiction they carry , like good try mate , but nut quit there yet ,. ill do trades with them and watch it turn in to social dictatorship while staying far away from it .
So no ,.. property is not theft ,.. the way one obtains his property can be theft ,.. like tax or just stealing it form others . ( self upvoting comes very close to this )
Always respect a others property , so don't tax or steal it .
It's all just plain common sense , no need for complicated word salads to delude in to thinking otherwise .
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Stay tuned for more.
Agorism is a social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges by means of counter-economics, engaging with aspects of nonviolent revolution. It was first proposed by American libertarian philosopher Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004) at two conferences, CounterCon I in October 1974 and CounterCon II in May 1975.
So no ,.. property is not theft ,.. the way one obtains his property can be theft ,.. like tax or just stealing it form others . ( self upvoting comes very close to this )
how in the hell is "self-upvoting" "coercive theft" ?
Close i said ,.. for in the long run your stealing from yourself .
And yes , on the short vision , self-voting could be explained and defended with free ride logic .
I did the work no one asked for ,.. invested a stake ,.. and i wan't profit out of that , while falling to see the need of growth on the longer time scale ,.. i want it all ,.. and i want it now ,. ..
The music in my head when my pointer hovers over the upvote button in my post ... ;-)
what if i call them "rights" ?
You can’t call them Anything apparently. There is no reasonable word that can be used.
perhaps, "my own personal threshold for participation"
Apparently Property is Theft.
You can not have any personal feelings.
Source: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-property-is-theft#toc3
Sorry i am a ANCAP and not a ANCOM ,. there is a big difference ,.. like a communist anarchist's is not by far a agorist , or working on strict voluntary base .
The communist "anarchist" does not like the ANCAP ,.. the commie anarchist is looking for a free ride , as that is what he believes to be a good social construct . Free market and trade is not in there book ,..
As a agorist i see the contradiction they carry , like good try mate , but nut quit there yet ,. ill do trades with them and watch it turn in to social dictatorship while staying far away from it .
So no ,.. property is not theft ,.. the way one obtains his property can be theft ,.. like tax or just stealing it form others . ( self upvoting comes very close to this )
Always respect a others property , so don't tax or steal it .
It's all just plain common sense , no need for complicated word salads to delude in to thinking otherwise .
Proudhon was ,.. a fool to me . ;-)
Interesting. I will create a new Blogging g platform called….. Agor.blog or Agorism.blog or Agorist.blog
Stay tuned for more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism
You might wanna read it first ,.. but yeah man ,. do it .. ;-)
I will build it…. Stay tuned.
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how in the hell is "self-upvoting" "coercive theft" ?
Close i said ,.. for in the long run your stealing from yourself .
And yes , on the short vision , self-voting could be explained and defended with free ride logic .
I did the work no one asked for ,.. invested a stake ,.. and i wan't profit out of that , while falling to see the need of growth on the longer time scale ,.. i want it all ,.. and i want it now ,. ..
The music in my head when my pointer hovers over the upvote button in my post ... ;-)
since when is myopic focus on (perceived) short-term self-interest "a crime" ?
it certainly doesn't reach the bar of "coercive theft"
it's also important to remember that pierre joseph proudhon is neither a priest nor a prophet
coercion is theft