Jaron Lanier on Virtual Reality and Social Media

in socialmedia •  2 years ago 

A large part of the middle section deals with social media and human interactions either mediated through synthetic systems or even with such a system. This is where Lanier mentions the need for economics and game theory, not so much to monetise every interaction but to discuss, and encode, the incentive models.

Jaron Lanier remains a unique character in the tech landscape; thoroughly immersed in the tech-world, he is, however, very sceptical of the road it is taking, yet cognizant of some of the good it has done.

I have always found the very most valuable moment in virtuality to be the moment when you take off the headset and your senses are refreshed and you perceive physicality afresh. You know, as if you were a newborn baby but with a little more experience, so you can really notice just how incredibly strange and delicate and peculiar and impossible the real world is. So the magic is, and perhaps forever will be, in the physical world. Well, that's my take on it - that's just me!

Jaron Lanier: Virtual Reality, Social Media & the Future of Humans and AI | Lex Fridman Podcast #218

So much human interaction has numerous incentives, some overt but many covert, even subconscious. Do we need to encode all such incentives into what will quickly become a very complex model, or should we aim for systems that just don't suck!?

The example of the Github community is interesting in that every genuine member has a vested interest in the platform itself. This does not mean there are no arguments, or friendships lost and found, but there is no obvious spillover that would turn the whole environment toxic. Lanier likes the idea of knowledge guilds, or competence guilds, that would somehow encode their collective wisdom into a form that can then be beneficial to both themselves and to others. On Github, this is obvious, as the whole platform exists precisely to construct algorithms. How can that be translated into less formal social media structures?

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He's not a crypto lover, thinks it's used by criminals more than good guys, and he does supports digital currency. He overlooks that there are plenty of villains who have a lot of fiat money. Am not loving his views on the value of government or fiat or microsoft. He is very establishment. The video starts off with valuable insight about AI, social media and systems, reality as mystical, and simulations.

It ends with interesting messages too - to be kind is difficult for one.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Sure, like I said, he works in the industry, so isn't 100% against it.
His books are useful tho, as he shows how horribly wrong it is all going to get unless we build more humane systems.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

So the magic is, and perhaps forever will be, in the physical world.

Goodness how I love that whole quote!!! Watching the video now.

My thoughts on your question before watching: we should aim for flexible, natural systems that are discarded and/or renewed when they start to suck.

Which he sort of says early in the video:

We shouldn't limit ourselves by some assumption of stasis


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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

My cats have an interesting take on virtual reality - if it doesn't smell, it isn't real!

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Haha I think if it does smell, it isn't real.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I mean, we are constructing simulations that only fake one, maybe two, primary senses. Ignoring the others at our peril.

If cats created VR they would have to simulate "smells" as one of their primary senses. They are not deluded by images alone. (their image processing skills seem crap too!)

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Cats should rule. They understand sovereignty.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

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  ·  2 years ago  ·  

what was the Tshirt?
GOD
OCD

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