RE: THE LEFTIST ERROR ABOUT "OBLIGATION" towards "all kinds of people".

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THE LEFTIST ERROR ABOUT "OBLIGATION" towards "all kinds of people".

in leftist •  5 months ago 

Since that is common sense (being biased) it must not be the text of a law.

i wish it was "common sense"

an overwhelming majority of citizens believe that a judge can, in most, if not all cases, impartially follow the exact letter of the law

and i believe we've established that you and i agree this is technically impossible

so, in that case, it would seem that perhaps we could at least inject a bit more honesty into the equation

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and i believe we've established that you and i agree this is technically impossible

We did. There are solutions to that problem, though.

"better bias" ?

"better bias" ?

LoL

Aren't you in the search for said solutions? I had given you my own way of thinking/example of mediation practice in another thread.
You had given me the video with another concept of fair trials.
Our own influence on the things happening is limited, which leaves me with the insight that I can do so and so much. I need not to overburden myself.

i wonder if people could agree that without identity

if the gaza israel roles were reversed

without changing any of the facts

would anyone think differently about the situation

an overwhelming majority of citizens believe that ...

Really, the overwhelming majority of people can believe what they want, since it's not them being a judge; it is more important that the judge had been educated in this manner, and I will give my right hand that this is the case. As soon as you start an education as a judge/lawyer and related professions (even in social work), you are confronted with the bias issue and you are being made aware of it through game-cases you play through. I've done it myself in class.
It's another issue when judges ignore their own bias and work unclean in that matter. For reasons, we can think of.
But "bias" itself is a hit-term and spread around the whole internet, so you cannot say it is not a well known phenomena. It's only that people like to attribute to themselves to be not biased, but then they lie.

Keep also in mind that we live in different countries and that our legal systems differ quite a lot. For example, we don't have juries but we have the "Schöffen", instead.

In Germany and Austria, lay assessors (from the Old High German sceffino, the one who orders) are honorary judges who take part in the main proceedings of criminal trials.
As an honorary judge, the lay judge, as a representative of the people, exercises "the office of judge in full and with equal voting rights" alongside the appointed judge.
In the main hearing, lay assessors are on an equal footing with the professional judge, both in reaching a judgement and in determining the sentence.

You don't need to have an official education in law and order for that position. There are other requirements but all in all you can apply for that position as an ordinary citizen. Just for info. Most people just don't know about it. I myself didn't know.

source (not in English)

It's another issue when judges ignore their own bias and work unclean in that matter. For reasons, we can think of.

judges reviewing petitions for parole

approve more requests within one hour of eating breakfast or lunch

Your point is that there can be no fairness if people allow their whims to influence their decisions. Do I see that correctly? I don't dispute that.
So that in some cases something turns out in people's favour and in others to their disadvantage, which may have nothing to do with the matter in and of itself.
We can cut our teeth on this topic. For now, what counts is how you and I make our own decisions and how we talk to each other.

societal bias is probably a "good" thing when adjudicating legal disputes

and by polling 100 or 1000 jurors

individual bias can be mitigated

What's your source for this?

Thank you.

While not surprised this dynamic exists, I'm shocked that they allowed it to become measurable and then reported. Borders on horror at the amount of propaganda we have instilled in us as children (in the U.S.) on fairness and principles above human character flaws which doesn't exist for most.

You don't need to have an official education in law and order for that position. There are other requirements but all in all you can apply for that position as an ordinary citizen. Just for info. Most people just don't know about it. I myself didn't know.

semi-professional jurors

sounds like it could be a good idea