RE: THE LEFTIST ERROR ABOUT "OBLIGATION" towards "all kinds of people".

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THE LEFTIST ERROR ABOUT "OBLIGATION" towards "all kinds of people".

in leftist •  5 months ago  (edited)

Who slaughters but could have done otherwise, is not excused.
Murder is not excused, only because it happens on a smaller scale than the murder on a greater scale. Murder is murder.

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it seems to boil down to

when a powerful group murders

it's heroic

You must be talking to someone else, not to me.
I neither "dismiss" murder as "systemic tragedy" nor do I see anything heroic in one group killing the other.

what disturbs you in my answer, if so?

what do most people mean by "murder"

generally speaking "unjustified killing"

what do most people mean by "unjustified"

generally speaking "it's ok to kill people we don't like and NOT ok to kill people we do like"

Do you ask me, what I myself think of murder?

do you believe "murder" is "unjustified killing"

and if so

what do you think qualifies as "unjustified"

I believe what the law says about murder.
As I understand the legislation here, it defines murder as ‘a wilful and intentional killing’. I look it now up.
Quoted from the penal code:

A murderer is who

out of lust for murder, for the satisfaction of sexual desire, out of greed or otherwise low motives,
maliciously or cruelly or by means dangerous to the public or
in order to facilitate or conceal another criminal offence,
kills a person.

In order to be able to justify something as murder, I would need to have the the aspects of murder to see fulfilled. If you give me a case - like you did with the story of Nat Turner, it's what I have withdrawn from it. IF it's true what had been said.

"willful and intentional" also applies to executioners and soldiers and cases of "self-defense"

"low motives" is quite vague

"maliciously or cruelly" could easily apply to executioners and soldiers and cases of "self-defense"

  ·  5 months ago  ·   (edited)

Of course, the law is never exhaustively formulated; it can't. It has always exceptions to its rules.
Since it's cases which are under trial, the cases deliver the context.
Do you want to talk about something specific? I am not getting towards what you might aim.