PLEASE EXPLAINN

Me: The democrats consistently want to reduce unwanted pain. The GOP doesn't consistently believe in anything.

This guy: Everyone wants to reduce unwanted pain.

Me: Then explain how banning abortion, legalizing AR 15s, separating undocumented children from their families (whether through state force like deportation or inaction like letting the parents die due to lack of healthcare or food), continuing the drug war and locking people up in jail for weed, forcing students to take on huge loans to go to college, and not raising taxes on the globalists to pay for it all reduces unwanted pain? If people with George Soros level wealth pay 70% of their income in taxes, that produces way less unwanted pain than the amount of unwanted pain it would offset.

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Me: Then explain how banning abortion,

i suffer emotional damage when i think about the unborn hoards losing their bright futures

banning abortion reduces my suffering

legalizing AR 15s,

i love shooting guns and when i'm shooting guns i forget about all my problems and this reduces my suffering

separating undocumented children from their families (whether through state force like deportation or inaction like letting the parents die due to lack of healthcare or food),

unskilled immigration drives down wages and low wages make me feel bad, i like money and money reduces my suffering

continuing the drug war and locking people up in jail for weed,

drugs cause suffering and if we can end the drug trade by scaring the pants off everyone with harsh penalties, then, in the long run, suffering will be reduced for future generations, and on top of that, it makes me feel good to think about drug dealers and drug addicts locked up in prison for the rest of their lives

forcing students to take on huge loans to go to college,

nobody can force someone to take out a loan, and the idea of my tax dollars paying for someone else to get an advantage in the job market increases my suffering

and not raising taxes on the globalists to pay for it all reduces unwanted pain?

if you punish innovators, they'll just move somewhere else and then they'll fire all their employees in your country and unemployment increases suffering

If people with George Soros level wealth pay 70% of their income in taxes, that produces way less unwanted pain than the amount of unwanted pain it would offset.

that's the problem. nobody cares about ALL HUMAN SUFFERING, they mostly just care about their OWN suffering (both real and imagined)

also, in the united states, the lawmakers are all funded by millionaires and billionaires, so, don't expect them to bite the hand that feeds them anytime soon

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