I listen to a program called Mind Matters every once in a while. It's a bit heady, so I only check in every now and then. Yesterday, I posted Race Marxism: The Truth About Critical Race Theory and Praxis as I am trying to get a grip on this WOKE madness, and they talked a little about ponerology. I also listened to this, by the same team, in which the book you mentioned was talked about:
I'll see if I can download the book and add it to the many others on my "to-read" list! 🤦♂️
Got tired after 10 mins - rarely watch videos, sometimes in background - can read a transcript in a 10th of the time.
Even after 10 mins, he misses the point - what has been going on is "agency-capture". This is how they get away with it, and few notice until it is too late. Every agency now does the opposite of what it was designed to do. The theatre of 911 created new agencies that were already captured.
When you pretend to protect people's health but are actually slowly killing them, that's a captured agency.
This also goes back centuries, as royalty has been replaced by merchants. The royal families that survive are beholden to merchants. Who still believes in divine kingship?
The Webster Tarpley book on 911 is very good - coz much of it is not about 911, was just marketing - as it's focus is Synthetic Terror. Much of the book is about discovering the synthetic nature of the Aldo Moro case - Tarpley was one of the journalistic investigators, so has insights in this, and his discovery that it wasn't the Brigate Rosse.
I was a kid living in Rome during some of the Anni di Piombo - kinda similar to current lockdowns, plus drive-by shootings and bombs. Synthetic commie/fascist gangland warfare.
Wow! I'd say you've seen your fair share of interesting moments in your life! Anni di Piombo... you're really starting to reveal your age with that one! 😂 I was born (1972) in Sicily during that era, but my mother and grandmother got us to the States by '76.
Where do you live now? Your profile says you're back in Italy.
That also explains your perfect English ;-)
I'm about 20 minutes outside of Milan! I had front row seats to the COVID Spectical here in Lombardy! What do Wuhan and Lombardy have in common? Wuhan has the worst air pollution problem in China, and you guessed it, Lombardy has the worst air pollution problem in ALL OF EUROPE! This guaranteed a high rate of deaths from respiratory illnesses!
I was about 4 years old when we moved to New Jersey, and grew up there from 1976 - 2001, so English is very much my mother-tongue. My mother and grandmother spoke the Sicilian dialect at home. From 2001 - 2003, I was back in Italy (6 moths in Sicily and a year and a half in Rome). From 2003 - 2011, I lived in Dublin, Ireland; needed to get back into an English speaking environment! 😊 And from 2011 until the present, I am up here near Milan.
I won't ask where you're from, as I respect anonymity! 😉
I thought was due to the then "new" quad vax given to much of the elderly population in northern Italy. Shame about the pollution - so near the alps, should really be cleaner air!
Funnily, my "mother tongue" is Italian, as spent my early years in Rome, but English is far more fluent. I am surprised how fluent my spoken Italian remains, but writing it is too much energy! lol.
To any readers with bilingual or even trilingual kids, each language needs to be practised daily, else can easily drift away and become "hard" as they get older. Kids' brains are very plastic - easy to learn... and easy to then forget!
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I didn't know you and @blurtyield were the same person! 🤣 I thought the two of you were good friends or something! I kept saying to myself, "These guys think alike! They even have the same writing style! And they support each other!" 🤣
Sorry for not being a little clearer. When the so-called pandemic began, two models were created; the Chinese model and the Italian model. Two locations were chosen to demonstrate the so-called severity of the virus, Wuhan and Lombardy. In order to send the world into a panic, they needed high rates of deaths from respiratory problems. The false cases were easy to generate with the PRC test, but they initially needed dead bodies! The Chinese model gave the world someone to blame, while the Italian model gave the world someone to sympathize with. Kind of like blame Russia, sympathize with Ukraine! 🤔
I'm the same with writing in Italian. I grew up only hearing the Sicilian dialect, which was a great help when it came time for me to learn Italian... a different but similar language! 🤣 The Roman dialect is also a foreign language to those who only speak Italian. 🤣 That's actually the case with most dialects in Italy.
Very true! I have completely lost my ability to speak Sicilian, although I still understand it. This is because my Italian vocabulary has greatly exceeded my Sicilian vocabulary. As a child, I did not have deep conversations with my mother or grandmother. It was mostly centered around simple daily life: what to eat, how was your day, the basics. So when I began to study Italian as an adult, my Italian vocabulary soon became dominant because I needed to express far more than the basics. Now, when my partner Grazia, who is also my cousin from the same part of Sicily (even dialects have dialects 🤦♂️), speaks to me in Sicilian, I respond in Italian. And depending on what we are talking about, even she has to shift more towards the Italian in order to go deeper into the conversation.
I also had learned some Spanish in the States, but lost that ability after years of being outside of a Spanish speaking environment.
Never heard of Tarpley, but am surprised by the conclusion concerning Aldo Moro. Synthetic Terror? Adding that one to the list as well! 😂😉
I think is still tarpley.net - he has one free book - Against Oligarchy, which is also very good, about how Venetian banksters decamped to London ;-)
Venetian banksters? Would that be The Black Nobility of Northern Italy?
Yes.
And some interesting points on the real power (or lack of it) of a Doge, and how that model infiltrated royalty. Britain remains a wonderful model of a pseudo-democracy hiding higher authorities. Thailand adopted the same model, but is more blatant, without the centuries of obfuscation, eg try defining The Crown.
I heard from a less reliable source that The Black Nobility re-camped in Milan, but it makes more sense that they are in London, as I once heard someone say that Rome has the religious power of the world, Washington D.C. has the military power of the world and London has the financial power. I think, however, it may be a case of both London and Milan.
I found a copy of Against Oligarchy on Archive as I do not like reading books from websites. I have been fascinated with this Black Nobility for some time now, but was not able to find any material to study, until now! Thanks! 🙏
I thought it was a book once - sure I have a pdf somewhere - maybe someone created it from the website.
I would assume they spread to all their existing centres. Medieval banking had to have physical offices to process credit notes etc. I think (from memory) the key decision was to find a port from where to expand globally. Venice was a good place for trade with the Near East but was kinda locked in. I'd have to re-read it to see the pivotal decision.
I like Tarpley as a historian - not so keen on his politics - I think taking sides can reduce the ability to see the whole picture clearly.
I'm quite the opposite; I'm an extremely slow reader and have always marveled at people who can read a book in a day, while I snail along at about 5 pages a day, on a good day. But "opposite" because since the internet has provided so much audio content over the years, I have had the fortune of discovering that I learn better by listening. I can spend hours with audiobooks, interviews and lectures, and absorb far more than what I get out of reading books. I do, however, love to read articles!
Well, the first 10 minutes were mostly spent talking about the cycle of Generations, which I am very familiar with the work of Howe and Strauss! What they said about Łobaczewski's work really fascinated me, especially how they wove it into the WOKE phenomenon and the generational theory.
I like these concepts that I am learning from you. I've been thinking a lot about the belief-engine / truth-engine thing. Now you hit me with agency-capture! Nice one! I can certainly think of many examples of this. Especially considering that most of the world's resources are controlled by about 5 investment firms, who then want control over how those resources are distributed, priced and utilized. Yes, the Merchants / Financiers have taken the Throne!
Do you have the rough time where they talk about Ponerology?
I've seen a few people claim they learn more through audio and/or video. I can sit through a lecture, I just find many vloggers don't bother to write a script - it's kinda rambling and I get bored going down their badly thought thoughts! lol. One doesn't have to read a script (although would then be great to post the transcript!) coz that can sound dull, but at least have some notes or flashcards. The best interviewers are prepared - not random ramblings. Anyway, will watch it again to see their thoughts, as very few ever bother quoting that book.
Another thing that made the first 10 minutes smell, was the feeling that these theories are somehow used to justify the tyranny - the "we've been through this before" naivety is IMO very dangerous. The witches were "innocent" after they drowned to death!
Found it - listened - switched off when the guy claims that the Russian revolution was for real "from below" - how naive is that!?
Anyway, this is why I rarely read or listen to sociologists, as they never seem to come up with a real reason. It's like knowing how to bend metal without any knowledge of atoms - hence never knowing why materials behave differently.
Lobaczewski takes great pains to describe the progression of the psychopathic state as a psychological phenomenon. Calculating the different cycle lengths is totally unimportant. The cycles depend on progress and feedback. The process by which this takes place gives more insights into how to stop it - and why it doesn't get stopped. Mass psychosis does not happen without individual psychoses.
These cycles are expressions of a disease. ;-)
I have to admit that I am historically illiterate when it comes to Russia, so those kinds of details would have escaped me.
I have not learned anything about Lobaczewski's work, nor do I yet know what ponerology means, but will look it up when I finish here. The generational theory argues that certain cycles are sociological, as well as psychological, hence factor in more than progress or feedback. From what I gathered in the interview, even Lobaczewski roughly calculates a 200 year cycle. As I mentioned before, I don't listen to these podcasts often because I'm just not literate enough to follow certain ideas. But I would say that in this case, I know a little more about the generational theory than the chaps in the video. I could have provided some better insights where I saw that they were struggling with the theory. And part of that struggling I believe comes from the fact that they read The Fourth Turning by Howe and Strauss, but did not read the foundational work Generations: The History of America's Future, 1584 to 2069. I read both.
But when it came to the part about Lobaczewski, which they would be much more enlightened than me, it seemed that they were concluding that it fit into the generational model. And when it really got interesting for me is when they connected the rise of WOKISM with The Fourth Turning or what I call the Crisis Season. In this Season, the Hero Generation, known as the Millennials (born from 1981 to around 2006), are dominant across the university landscape. What I can't figure out is what role is my generation, the Nomad Generation, known as Generation X (born from 1961 to 1981), is playing in all this, because I have been away from the States since 2001, but I'm certain that none of the people I grew up with would be spouting this WOKE bullshit. I can just hear myself now saying to my friends, "What the fuck are you talking about?! White Fragility?! Micro-aggressions?! What the fuck you been smoking, Bro?!"
I wouldn't go that far as to say that they are looking to justify the tyranny, but rather to suggest that the tyranny was inevitable. I always do my best to respect others opinions, but I'm curious as to why you consider "we've been through this before" a naivety? Is it not often said that we are destined to repeat the errors of our past if we do not learn the lessons of those errors? In fact, past mistakes are often repeated, but I think in some cases it is not a question of not having learned the lesson, but rather, it was inevitable that history would repeat. That said, I do agree that "we've been through this before" is not totally accurate because we have NOT been through, for example, trans-humanism before, but "we've been through this before" in the broader sense of tyranny or mass hysteria or the fall of empire. I have studied the generational theory of Howe and Struass for many years now, and interviewed people in Italy and Ireland, and they confirmed that the cycles match the history, so it is not only an American phenomenon. I even gave a talk in 2009 entitled Our Spiritual Winter Has Arrived in which I warned the audience that the Crisis Season has begun and we should prepare ourselves by looking carefully at what we went through in the previous cycle from 1929 - 1943.
I think it may have been about mid-way; and the main presenter of the podcast, Harrison Koehli, is really big into ponerology, and talks about it often.
I actually didn't know this about myself. It just happened when YouTube starting having seminars and lectures posted. And when the P2P torrent phenomenon allowed me to download tons of pirated audiobooks and documentaries. Then online podcasting blew up, and I started listening to a lot of very articulate presenters, on a wide variety of topics. I have not stopped reading, but I eventually noticed that I retained more information from listening rather than reading.
I'm someone who does not prepare notes for my podcasts or public talks, but I do not like rambling. I make it a point to cut to the chase as quickly as I can, and then end it when I feel that I have covered the issue. I used to ramble a bit when I was broadcasting from community radio stations in Ireland, but that was because I had to complete the hour. Online is a different playing field, because I don't have to look at the clock. So sometimes it takes 10 minutes to cover a topic, and other times it may take 40 minutes. I have also learned to just stick to one subject per smartcast. I used to try to do 4 - 5 topics, but then found that it is far wiser to just roll out one issue, and cut it there. It makes things more comfortable for me and the audience, time wise; and retention of the information is greater when you only focus on one subject.