Can an A.I. think and feel? The answer is no, but to two Google engineers think this isn't the case. We're at the point where the Turing test looks like it's been conquered.
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I heard about this too. Getting real! Our arrogance and insistence on being a "Creator" is gonna bite us all.
It's going to bite really hard when we realize (too late) that we are being played emotionally with this talk about souls and presenting us with some sweet, innocent, little 7 year old girl, who happens to know physics! PLEASE! 🤬
This is a great movie! Shows the "immortal" agenda too. Transfer of consciousness. Lots of themes in this relevant to today. Thanks much!! I bookmarked the movie.
i've watched a lot of "ai" themed movies and shows, including
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and this inexplicably obscure movie from 1962 surpasses them all
Interesting that it talks of having a soul. If we live in a simulation like some are saying then why couldn't a soul use a machine instead of a biological body as a tool to experience life? This goes to the old christian philosophy of animals not having souls too which gave humans the perceived right to do what they like with them.
I'm not sure if AI can be sentient tho as it cannot feel physical pain, emotions do produce physical symptoms in us but they can't produce physical symptoms in a a machine IMO. It's the ability to feel pain, emotional or physical, that makes us sentient.
I think that scientists, especially materialistic ones who are atheists, would argue that pain results from eletrical nerve pulses, and so pain could be reduced to code. Anaesthesia would be the proof they would try to offer. I think this is simply an attempt to start a process to have AI have human rights. Look at the AI robot SOFIA who was granted citizenship in Saudi Arabia, which means it can start a business, run a company or enter into politics.
what about emotional pain tho? That's another matter isn't it. Can a machine feel guilt, shame, jealousy, heartbreak? I don't think so. That is what makes us human. We are not machines and our minds are not computers.
This is an extremely insightful question. One worth seriously reflecting on. I have never heard any talk about this. Our soul is the energy that animates our biological bodies. When we die, the only thing that is missing is our energy that kept the body functioning. This means that our soul can power objects that require electrical, mechanical, chemical, osmotic or thermal energies, just to name a few. So what if a soul wanted to forego emotional energies, and just focus on mental capabilities? This is what Google and the WEF want! A superior Machiavellian mind! The danger is, how do you know which soul has embodied your machine? A programmer may be convinced he's communicating with code, when it could be some diabolical soul!
Yup I suppose the only kind of soul that might want to be a machine would be a demonic soul, devoid of love?
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i've watched a lot of "ai" themed movies and shows, including
and
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and
and
and this inexplicably obscure movie from 1962 surpasses them all
You can't beat the oldies IMO. I especially like the cheezy acting, very 60's.
notice how the "bad guys" are dressed in rebel uniforms
if this was a modern remake, they'd be dressed like nazis
The last trailer doesn't show up for me. What's the name of it?
trailer for season one of the hbo show "westworld"
Ha yeh, what a topsy turvy world it is eh
Hello,
it is quite strange that people spend so long tinkering with a machine and a programme to make it "human". The Turing test can only be passed if the setting is such that a human talks to the machine via computer interface or by telephone or email. Of course, he would not fall for it if he was "sitting face to face" with an AI.
A robot, no matter how much you gave it a human appearance, would not pass the test. Therefore, the question needs to be asked: if we do not realise that we are dealing with an AI at the other end of the communication, it is because we are communicating digitally and not in real terms.
This means that the distance we have already assumed from our fellow human beings can only simulate something "sentient" because we are not in the real physical space but in the virtually programmed space.
I have also heard that one could code "pain" into the programme. Since physical pain in the biological organism cannot be explained reductionistically, electrical impulses in an electrical environment are something fundamentally different from electrical impulses in an organic, fleshly environment.
Probably my most important argument for AI never being sentient is that humans grow as organisms (as a natural part of the earthly from which they emerge) and the machine is mechanically assembled, i.e. it is a mechanism and not an organism. It would have to go through millions of years of evolution, start as a single-celled organism and then develop into a sentient being. Machines are the opposite of growth.
The baby and the small child learn language by means of their organic existence, they first get to know their own mother and father by means of close bodily contact, which in turn exist within their cultural space of meaning. What "exactly" is happening in this connection cannot be scientifically explained.
However, a person who is isolated, who loses the connection and meaning of a close organic group existence, may fall for the idea that AI is "the better human being". lol For example, because that human is predominantly digitally active.
I suppose that in the context of AI, the theme of the "God complex" plays a role. Those who can code will or want to experience themselves as creators, those who consult an AI want to experience God (as omniscient).
Instead of practising trust in one's own species as naturally integrated into the earthly and spiritual, self-hatred and mistrust can be observed. Those who hate themselves as human beings and other human beings, accepting and portraying them as parasitic, violent and perma-dangerous, will plead for "solutions" that negate the human component in the individual and act as if it were about "the good of all".
These are some wonderfully thought out insights! Thank you! I personally don't believe that the goal is really to make a human like robot, even though that's what's being presented. Rather, they want an AI-powered super computer that will be used to empower those who have access to it, and to manipulate the rest of us.
I think @northern-tracey would appreciate your comment as well, if she hasn't already read it.