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I'm about 20 minutes outside of Milan! I had front row seats to the COVID Spectical here in Lombardy! What do Wuhan and Lombardy have in common? Wuhan has the worst air pollution problem in China, and you guessed it, Lombardy has the worst air pollution problem in ALL OF EUROPE! This guaranteed a high rate of deaths from respiratory illnesses!

I was about 4 years old when we moved to New Jersey, and grew up there from 1976 - 2001, so English is very much my mother-tongue. My mother and grandmother spoke the Sicilian dialect at home. From 2001 - 2003, I was back in Italy (6 moths in Sicily and a year and a half in Rome). From 2003 - 2011, I lived in Dublin, Ireland; needed to get back into an English speaking environment! 😊 And from 2011 until the present, I am up here near Milan.

I won't ask where you're from, as I respect anonymity! 😉

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

I thought was due to the then "new" quad vax given to much of the elderly population in northern Italy. Shame about the pollution - so near the alps, should really be cleaner air!

Funnily, my "mother tongue" is Italian, as spent my early years in Rome, but English is far more fluent. I am surprised how fluent my spoken Italian remains, but writing it is too much energy! lol.

To any readers with bilingual or even trilingual kids, each language needs to be practised daily, else can easily drift away and become "hard" as they get older. Kids' brains are very plastic - easy to learn... and easy to then forget!

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I didn't know you and @blurtyield were the same person! 🤣 I thought the two of you were good friends or something! I kept saying to myself, "These guys think alike! They even have the same writing style! And they support each other!" 🤣

I thought was due to the then "new" quad vax given to much of the elderly population in northern Italy. Shame about the pollution - so near the alps, should really be cleaner air!

Sorry for not being a little clearer. When the so-called pandemic began, two models were created; the Chinese model and the Italian model. Two locations were chosen to demonstrate the so-called severity of the virus, Wuhan and Lombardy. In order to send the world into a panic, they needed high rates of deaths from respiratory problems. The false cases were easy to generate with the PRC test, but they initially needed dead bodies! The Chinese model gave the world someone to blame, while the Italian model gave the world someone to sympathize with. Kind of like blame Russia, sympathize with Ukraine! 🤔

Funnily, my "mother tongue" is Italian, as spent my early years in Rome, but English is far more fluent. I am surprised how fluent my spoken Italian remains, but writing it is too much energy! lol.

I'm the same with writing in Italian. I grew up only hearing the Sicilian dialect, which was a great help when it came time for me to learn Italian... a different but similar language! 🤣 The Roman dialect is also a foreign language to those who only speak Italian. 🤣 That's actually the case with most dialects in Italy.

Kids' brains are very plastic - easy to learn... and easy to then forget!

Very true! I have completely lost my ability to speak Sicilian, although I still understand it. This is because my Italian vocabulary has greatly exceeded my Sicilian vocabulary. As a child, I did not have deep conversations with my mother or grandmother. It was mostly centered around simple daily life: what to eat, how was your day, the basics. So when I began to study Italian as an adult, my Italian vocabulary soon became dominant because I needed to express far more than the basics. Now, when my partner Grazia, who is also my cousin from the same part of Sicily (even dialects have dialects 🤦‍♂️), speaks to me in Sicilian, I respond in Italian. And depending on what we are talking about, even she has to shift more towards the Italian in order to go deeper into the conversation.

I also had learned some Spanish in the States, but lost that ability after years of being outside of a Spanish speaking environment.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Yeah, is nothing hidden - is probably mentioned in the BYT launch doc.
I also get bored having to stay "in voice" answering things - and then forgetting to do so - hence, end up chatting "in stereo".

When I was in Palermo - was prob 2 weeks, so a good chance to get to know some of the place - wasn't in a tourist area, we stayed in the university campus. Anyway, one amusing thing was how people had to visibly "click" into Italian-mode as they spoke in dialect most of time.

Every Mediterranean culture seems to have invaded Sicily at some point - even the Normans (not Med) - that it is a wonderful clash of histories. However, I spoke to the professors about living there and... "don't do it!" lmao. They just said was the daily grind where everything is a protection racket - government included. On the flight back to UK, most tourists complained on being ripped off all the time - lol - luckily the university had armed guards on patrol 24/7.

I was gonna say "great place for a holiday", but probably best NOT to look like a tourist! haha

Sicilian culture is incredibly full of tricksterism and Machiavellianism! I didn't grow up there, so the only way to hide my ignorance of the culture was to simply not talk, as physically and genetically, I am clearly Sicilian. But even the way I walked gave me away. I lasted 6 months on the Island, and then had to get the hell out of there, as I could never feel as ease anywhere. The language is no longer written or read, so it's a very secretive culture where not even the locals trust each other. I had my ticket stolen at the train station, as it was slightly poking out of my bag. I had one of those gym type bags with wheels and a leash to pull it. What a typical American idiot! 🤣 The thief stole it while I was walking, with dozens of people watching. I only noticed when I stopped, turned around, and was trying to figure out why everyone was looking at me. 🙈

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

How very Thai too! Foreigners feel they are the targets - and yes, maybe they have larger wallets, big maybe - but they pull this shit on each other! Hence they've all (most) learnt to be wary.

Not written!?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_language
haha, the gov tries to teach it in schools but without textbooks, as you say, no accepted orthography!

How I loath Wikipedia! 🤬 Did they actually say that the government teaches it in schools without textbooks? If so, that's completely inaccurate! Take it from we insiders, speaking Sicilian is highly discouraged in Sicily's schools, AND at home for the younger generations. It has been targeted for extinction, much like the British did with the Irish language.

  ·  2 years ago  ·  

Yeah, Wankipedia should be demoted - it just appears every time on Goeggel.
Apparently some committee to promote the language - sounds like the usual agency way to do the opposite.
Was some 20 years ago I was there, and everybody spoke in Sicilian.

  ·  2 years ago  ·   (edited)

@famigliacurione Ma tino non sapevo questo aneddoto triste che ti era successo in Sicilia 😱
non me ne hai mai parlato che ingenuo ma tutte a te capitano.. 🤣🤣🙈🤦‍♀️ scusa la mia risata ma tu la racconti in modo molto comico 🤣 l'ho sempre detto che sei il mio gigante ingenuo 🙈🙈