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In diesem Post gehe ich auf die Vorwürfe und Sanktionen ein, die @megadrive unter Firing my first salvo of sanctions angekündigt hat.
Vorwurf:
they created the derogatory term #IDUVTS which basically means you are an idiot if you support Vote Trading Systems (VTS)
Deutsch: Sie haben den abwertenden Begriff #IDUVTS geschaffen, der im Grunde bedeutet, dass man ein Idiot ist, wenn man Vote Trading Systems (VTS) unterstützt.
Klarstellung:
Die Idee IDUVTS auf sein Profil zu schreiben, war meine Idee, nachzulesen in diesem Kommentar.
Ich habe auf Steem erleben müssen, welche demotivierenden Auswirkungen Algorithmen wie upvu auf viele User und auch mich bewirkt haben. Auf Blurt sollte das nicht passieren, dazu mein Artikel vor drei Monaten. Das ist der Hintergrund.
IDUVTS bedeutet, ich verwende keine VTS, nicht mehr und nicht weniger.
Vorwurf:
they require their supporters to add this to their profile or allegedly they won't get votes
Deutsch: sie verlangen von ihren Anhängern, dass sie dies zu ihrem Profil hinzufügen, da sie sonst angeblich keine Stimmen erhalten.
Klarstellung:
Falsch, Zitat aus meinem oben verlinken Kommentar:
Meine Idee zu der VTS-Geschichte ist, wie wär's wenn wir die Geschichte umdrehen, alle die keinen VTS nutzen, könnten das im Profil kund tun, als Text oder im Coverbild.
Es wird nicht verlangt, ob jemand das machen will oder nicht, bleibt jedem selbst überlassen.
Vorwurf:
This post by @tekraze has further exposed hypocrisy amongst Double-u and his supporters
Deutsch: Dieser Beitrag von @tekraze hat die Heuchelei von Double-u und seinen Anhängern weiter entlarvt.
Der Vorwurf ist, es würde ein manueller Voting-Ring betrieben, neun Accounts werden in der Grafik dargestellt:
@hornet-on-tour, @jeenger, @double-u, @ozelot47, @nerdtopiade, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek, @michelangelo3, @freakeao.
Tatsache ist, ich habe seit ich hier bin 10541 Votes an 429 verschiedene Accounts abgegeben, 30% meiner VP gingen an die oben genannten User, weitere 14.3% an @practicalthought, @reiseamateur, @jacobgadikian und @rycharde. Das sind die Top10 der von mir am meisten gevoteten Accounts. Vielleicht hätte ich es besser machen können, ja, mag sein, mir allerdings einen Voting-Ring zu unterstellen sehe ich als absichtliche Diffamierung.
Bei den anderen oben erwähnten Accounts sieht auch ähnlich aus. Außerdem könnte von jedem aktiven Account eine Voting-Bubble gezeichnet werden. Aber bitte vollständig! Es ist manupulativ nur mit Ausschnitten zu arbeiten, es erzeugt beim Betrachter einen irreführenden Eindruck.
Vorwurf:
have no problem offending others, ... also highlights how badly they treat smaller users and those that have different ideals
Deutsch: sie haben kein Problem, andere zu beleidigen, es macht auch deutlich, wie schlecht sie kleinere Nutzer und diejenigen, die andere Ideale haben, behandeln.
Klarstellung:
Vielleicht sollten wir an dieser Stelle klarstellen, von wem die Rede ist, wer kleinere Nutzer und diejenigen, die andere Ideale haben, schlecht behandelt. Ich überlasse es dem geneigten Leser, ob @hornet-on-tour, @jeenger, @double-u, @ozelot47, @nerdtopiade, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek, @michelangelo3, @freakeao in diese Kategorie passen.
Schlusswort
Seit ich hier bin habe ich selten einen Post lesen müssen der dermaßen von Falschinformationen und Beschuldigungen strotzt. Das Ergebnis ist demotivierend für alle Beteiligten.
Eines muss ich zugestehen, Raus aus der Bubble hat schon seine Berechtigung. Meine Idee dazu war Introducing new hashtag #first5.
Nach den aktuellen Angriffen ist mir allerdings die Lust vergangen, diesen Tag weiter zu verfolgen. Was soll ich neuen Usern schreiben, willkommen im Krieg?
IDUVTS steht als Zeichen für Gleichgesinnte auf meinem Profil, die ebenfalls keine auf Profit optimierten Services nutzen. Das hat nichts mit Moral zu tun, sondern ist eine rein pragmatische Entscheidung. Vielleicht entferne ich IDUVTS auch wieder, da es zu unnötigen Spannungen geführt hat. Vorerst allerdings nicht, da ich mich nicht dazu erpressen lasse.
Konsequenz
Es braucht starken Tabak um bei mir so etwas wie Ärger auszulösen, du @megadrive hast es jetzt geschafft. Auch mit deiner Aktion im Namen von Blurt Drohnen zu schicken und damit in Kauf zu nehmen, jeden Witness und RPC-Betreiber in Gefahr zu bringen.
Ich habe lange versucht neutral zu bleiben, doch jetzt kann ich mein Witness-Vote nicht länger bestehen lassen und ziehe es zurück.
Falls @jacobgadikian deinen Vorwürfen zustimmt, dann gute Nacht, viel Erfolg und auf Wiedersehen.
[EN]
In this post, I address the allegations and sanctions announced by @megadrive at Firing my first salvo of sanctions.
Accusation:
they created the derogatory term #IDUVTS which basically means you are an idiot if you support Vote Trading Systems (VTS)
Clarification:
It was my idea to write IDUVTS on the profile, to read in this comment.
I have had to experience on Steem what demotivating effects algorithms like upvu have had on many users, including myself. On Blurt this should not happen, about this my article three months ago. Here's the background.
IDUVTS means I don't use VTS, nothing more, nothing less.
Accusation:
they require their supporters to add this to their profile or allegedly they won't get votes
Clarification:
Wrong, quote from my comment linked above:
My idea to the VTS story is, how about we turn the story around, all those who don't use VTS could make that known in their profile, as text or in the cover image.
It's not required, if someone wants to do that or not, it's up to everyone.
Accusation:
This post by @tekraze has further exposed hypocrisy among Double-u and his supporters
The accusation is that a manual voting ring is being run, nine accounts are shown in the graphic:
@hornet-on-tour, @jeenger, @double-u, @ozelot47, @nerdtopiade, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek, @michelangelo3, @freakeao.
Fact is, I've cast 10541 votes on 429 different accounts since I've been here, 30% of my VP went to the above users, another 14.3% to @practicalthought, @reiseamateur, @jacobgadikian and @rycharde. Those are the top10 most voted accounts by me. Maybe I could have done better, yes, maybe, however to accuse me of a voting ring I see as intentional defamation.
The other accounts mentioned above also look similar. Also, a voting bubble could be drawn from each active account. But please completely! It is manupulative to work only with excerpts, it creates a misleading impression to the viewer.
Accusation:
have no problem offending others, ... also highlights how badly they treat smaller users and those that have different ideals
Clarification:
Perhaps at this point we should clarify who we are talking about, who treats smaller users and those who have different ideals badly. I leave it to the gentle reader to decide if @hornet-on-tour, @jeenger, @double-u, @ozelot47, @nerdtopiade, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek, @michelangelo3, @freakeao fit into this category.
Conclusion
Since I've been here, I've rarely had to read a post so rife with misinformation and accusations. The result is demotivating for all involved.
One thing I have to admit, getting out of the bubble has its justification. My idea for this was Introducing new hashtag #first5.
However, after the current attacks, I have lost the desire to pursue this tag further. What should I write to new users, welcome to the war?
IDUVTS stands as a sign for like-minded people on my profile who also do not use services optimized for profit. This has nothing to do with morals, but is a purely pragmatic decision. Maybe I will remove IDUVTS again, because it has caused unnecessary tensions. Not for the time being, though, as I won't be blackmailed into it.
Consistency
It takes strong tobacco to trigger something like anger in me, you @megadrive have done it. Also with your action in the name of Blurt to send drones and thus accept to put every Witness and RPC operator in danger.
I tried to stay neutral for a long time, but now I can't let my Witness vote stand any longer and withdraw it.
If @jacobgadikian agrees with your accusations, then good night, good luck and goodbye.
Hello
Using the initials #IDUVTS is only to indicate that the person does not use a voting service, nor to specify that they are idiots. When this label was first started, it was to identify the profile of people who do not use VTS, not to humiliate anyone.
Blurt is a decentralized community where we are free to choose what to put on our profile, because if it is stipulated that you must use it or not, we are adults to know what to choose. You must not see oppression.
It would hurt my soul @michelangelo3 that you withdraw from the platform when you are one of the first people who also helped me on this platform. Your great initiative to support the 5 posts after the introduction of the newbies. Because you have to help them, because they are starting a new world, which sometimes you don't even know about cryptocurrency.
If they come to Blurt after being on another platform like hive or steemit, it's because they see the difference that Blurt is compared to other social networks, one of the things that most of the people who flee is to the VTS, because they have had that bad experience that if you are not in VTS you will never receive a good vote. But as I also specified above we are free to choose who chooses VTS can continue their path, who chooses #IDUVTS, can do, the world is full of choices one chooses what to do.
God gave us free will so that man has the power to act as he wishes, regardless of whether his decisions are good or bad, each of us must choose what to do.
Regarding the mistreatment of @hornet-on-tour , @jeenger , @double-u , @ozelot47 , @nerdtopiade , @dotwin1981 , @elkezaksek , @michelangelo3 , @freakeao, nor what I just named, nor any other user of the Blurt platform has had a rough treatment.
I've repeated it a thousand times, since I got to Burt I saw it was:
Projects like Blurt in hospital Nigeria.
Help a school.
Bosco House
This is not seen on other platforms.
I have never been under any kind of compulsion or pressure to use #IDUVTS. It was simply because it came to my mind after seeing various phenomena the first time I used Blurt. Where I find many posts that are far from quality standards get great appreciation from several accounts. Meanwhile, users who were trying hard to find something with their minds got fewer responses. This condition reminds me of steemit, which has forced me to quit sooner because I don't have much capital to buy votes.
The same thought crossed my mind at the time, it seems Blurt is not the right place for me either as most people here are more focused on voice trading than producing something quality. But I put that thought aside for a moment and tried to find various information about it. I began to browse various posts from large accounts, even on several occasions I expressed my anxiety. Very few responded with a satisfactory answer. Finally, I got an answer, that the accounts that get big awards, even though the posts are far from quality, are because they use VTS. Worse yet, they were also supported by several witnesses.
Finally, some time ago, I felt a little relieved that Blurt had people on the same frequency as me. People are passionate about encouraging users to produce quality content, strengthening social connections between users, without relying on voice trading engines. So when #IDUVTS was popularized, I immediately supported it, because it was in line with my thinking. Creativity and social connection are the most important things to me.
If people are now blaming #IDUVTS for insulting other users, then what about VTS? Some small accounts trapped in the VTS circle did not get a score commensurate with the number of votes they received, even though their number of votes exceeded the number of witnesses in some of their posts. Wouldn't that be crueler?
That is not true. I am a minor user here who has never felt treated as badly as alleged. @hornet-on-tour, @double-u, @ozelot47, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek, @michelangelo3, and @freakeao are inspiring people and have helped a lot since I started Blurt.
They are people of extraordinary character, despite all their flaws, because none of us are perfect. Even in this case, @hornet-on-tour and @michelangelo3 were the first two to greet me with open arms without suspicion.
Thank you very much for your enlightening words, I was already of the opinion that I am a very bad person and only want to do everyone harm.
No, you are not a bad person as some people think. I hope you continue to be yourself with all the advantages you have. There's no way we can please everyone.
Keep the spirit, may goodness always be with you.
I think you said that very well and I'm with you all the way. Don't look or search for the culprits, but look for solutions together.
I am in no way forced to use the hashtag #IDUVTS. I'm using this to explain that I won't be following the VTS service at all.
However, this does not prevent me from interacting with all users, whether VTS service users or not. Because from the very beginning my goal was to connect with people around the world and express myself to write. For sure #IDUVTS is not a bad hashtag. But this means rejecting / not using VTS. As described in @michelangelo3’s post. I think @tekraze and @megadrive misunderstood this.
I also want to clarify here that the accusations against @hornet-on-tour , @jeenger , @double-u , @ozelot47 , @nerdtopiade , @dotwin1981 , @elkezaksek , @michelangelo3 and @freakeao, are not true. They all always pay attention to small users by supporting and providing various development information.
Hopefully this will not become a prolonged conflict and there will be a bright point of resolution. We ordinary users only expect peace and development on this platform. Thank you.
Yepp we are fools, happy now ?
No, you are a smart person in my opinion. The words stupid and misunderstanding are very different. There is nothing stupid in this context. As a reader, I can only conclude that the various problems that have occurred recently are due to misunderstandings. Then the misunderstanding continued and continued to worsen the situation. If possible, this problem can be discussed properly to find a bright spot for a solution. Let's unite for the betterment of friends!
I am completely with you.
Nur weil man vts nicht nutzen möchte und dies zum Ausdruck bringt macht man noch lange nicht alle die dies nutzen lächerlich. Mir erschließt sich diese Sichtweise nicht. Auch einen Votingring sehe ich hier nicht. Auch das Thema mit den Drohnen sollte jeder für sich selbst beurteilen und es ist nicht Sache von Blurt im Namen der User und Witnesses hier tätig zu werden. Guter Post von Dir.
Vielen dank für die Klarstellung einiger Sachen mir fehlt dazu einfach gerade die Energie und die Lust.
Ja, hat mich auch etwas Überwindung gekostet, aber das musste jetzt rausgeblurtet werden. Mein Entwurf war übrigens drei mal so lang, aber das hätte kein Mensch gelesen.
Es hat mich sehr tief getroffen, was ich in der letzten Zeit lesen musste. Ich versuchte einiges klar zustellen. Doch es macht alles viel schlimmer und es wurden immer mehr Vorwürfe und Bezeichnung.
Ich möchte hier was klarstellen, ich habe niemanden Beleidigt, angegriffen oder auch bedrängt das Kürzel #IDUVTS zu nutzten. Von Anfang an bin ich auf Blurt und habe immer mein Bestes gegeben. Als es Blurt schlecht ging, habe ich Blurt nicht aufgegeben und mein erspartes in Blurt investiert. Als Blurt von Hackern angegriffen wurde, habe ich Blurt nicht den Rücken gekehrt. Um die Community zu stärken, habe ich den Kurator freiwillig übernommen, auf meinem Wunsche hin. Als es hieß, wir brauchen unbedingt Witness, habe ich ein überteuert Raspberry PI gekauft. Zugunsten von Blurt, sollte der Pi schneller werden, auch hier habe ich mehre Tage dafür gebraucht, damit er mit einer SSD läuft. Man kann es immer weiter führen. Ich liebe Blurt und auch die Community, die Community wächst nur mit Kommunikation untereinander und das kann kein VTS. Die Anschuldigung gegen mich sind falsch. Sollten sich Fehler eingeschlichen haben bitte ich um Entschuldigung, ich habe seit nun mehr 3 Nächte kein schlaf mehr.
Ja, es ist bitter, weil wir uns ganz schön reingehängt haben und große Hoffnungen hatten.
Hoffe, dass du bald wieder besser schlafen kannst!
Ich wünsche Dir das Beste. Für mich bist Du ein Großer Blurter und ein echter Mehrwert für Blurt. Ich kämpfe mich im Moment durch alles soweit durch um es zu verstehen. Habe jetzt ja wieder Zugriff auf meinen Rechner und kann auch wieder blurten. Habe viel verpasst.
Werde wieder Gas geben und alles genau beobachten. So schade das eine so starke Community, die vieles mit bewirkt hat und auch gelenkt und ein großes Mitspracherecht hatte auseinander bricht. Mir fallen jetzt auf Anhieb @double-u, @michelangelo3, @dotwin1981 etc. ein.
Bin gespannt wie es weiter geht.
LG Michael
Sehr gut geschrieben. Das bringt alles auf den besagtem Nenner. Hoffe das kommt dann auch bei jedem so an wie es gemeint ist.
Sir @double-u. Bro @michelangelo.
I am very happy at Blurt because I met good friends.
For Blurt, for Blurt advancement, If my situation and all of us (IDUVTS) can damage Blurt, then we can stop using it.
Before we use IDUVTS we also keep surfing on Blurt.
I speak this because I want to maintain our friendship and our togetherness during this time.
I speak on behalf of myself, because I really like Blurt.
Without IDUVTS I will also come to Live PUB, will visit @michelangelo's post and other friends' posts.
I and all of us still will not use VTS.
SUCCUMBING DOES NOT MEAN LOSING
BACK ONE STEP, TO TAKE THOUSANDS OF STEPS.
Du weißt, wie selten ich ein "Reblurt" mache.
Das sagt wohl alles ohne Worte ;-)
Danke, mein Freund, dass du dir noch die Mühe gemacht hast, so einen tollen und sachlichen Artikel zu verfassen!
That drone has caused many problems here on blurt. If only something like that drone could have been used to remove Putin from power 7 days ago … how many lives could have been saved ? I am against War, and I am against guns, but sometimes you wonder … how many lives could have been saved if Hitler was removed from power, if Putin was removed from power. These are all hypothetical questions of course. I am a Pacifist. I am Against war. I am for Peace. For all these other issues, I think everyone needs to relax. We are all guilty of self voting and voting for friends. It’s human nature. We want to succeed and we want our friends to succeed. I think that Voting Services should be available for people with little Blurt Power… they should be able to invest a few thousand blurt to get some upvotes. Since we know that many whales are upvoting their friends. We need a Truce. Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Source: https://amzn.to/3IGgXtl
Ricardo can send combat drones in his name, that's not the point. But please not in the name of the Blurt community. He has since corrected that, which I very much welcome. However, I doubt whether he would have done so if some users had not stood up to voice their concerns.
And yes, I agree, if the warmongers could be deprived of their power, the population would be spared a lot of suffering.
Maybe one day there will be a VTS to recommend, I'm not against it in principle. It always depends on the intentions behind such a service.
I also hope we can put this unpleasant situation behind us. Thank you for your comment.
I am building a new Blurt front end where VTS, Delegations and even advertising will be allowed. Stay tuned for more. People need Options. So let’s make options.
Just don't confuse this #IDUVTS stand people's voting service. Has created a situation that seems foolish. At first this was the same situation when VTS was. I'm not saying this to insult anyone.
This platform is an independent one and it is up to you to decide how you want to organize your profile. If you don't know, try to know. That or those adults they will choose with their eager intellect.
I am surprised to see you "@michelangelo3" You have moved away from this prayer but when you were like the first people you all came to this stage through cooperation then you have to think if not selfless. The first five posts unselfishly support the person who is the first to come to this platform. By doing this, his courage will increase and his work will increase.
There are many writing prayers in this world but maybe not like BLURT. When newcomers come to this platform, it is important to understand that this person may have come from another platform, may have been frustrated, may have lacked good support and what if we do not support that person.
When a user leaves the platform, it means that there is a lack of love or group-based work which causes them to distribute among themselves and keep newcomers away from support. Just like if VTS is not with them, you will not get good votes. VTS They will continue on their way but will never look at you again in the same way #IDUVTS.
Choosing tags is completely free.
People want to be free in their ways. No one wants to be dependent. Just like I work on this platform, it is better to work independently than to work under others and everyone wants to work independently.
@freakeao, @michelangelo3,
@hornet-on-tour, @double-u,
@ozelot47, @nerdtopiade, @dotwin1981, @elkezaksek
love, flexibility, humanity, tolerance, kindness
And stand by people of all walks of life.
Anyway, I said a lot, if you make a mistake, you will look at it with forgiveness.
You have come after a long time with the right idea. First of all I welcome you and will always be grateful. In fact, through these one may succeed in eliminating the disagreements that have led to dictatorships between the two sides. Thank you!
I will stand my ground. I would not use VTS.
Well, I'm gonna join double-u. No votes from my accounts (this one and mmmmkkkk311) for VTS users. #IDUVTS
My comment here is not to offend anyway.
Is like the issue of this hashtag #IDUVTS is trying to tear everything that has been worked for on blurt apart. But I shouldn't be so. As @rahmattrisnamal has said that the #IDUVTS is not a bad hashtag rather it means rejecting or not using VTS.
Like me I decided to add the hastag to my profile not because it's a most but I felt like just to add it to my profile.
So the issue of adding the hashtag to one's profile is not a must so far such person doesnt engage in VTS.
Please lets not allow this things to tear what has been build up.
Thanks for reading this.
Now I can see that the problem between the two parties lies in the #IDUVTS. I thought the idea of #IDUVTS is not a bad idea because it tries to stop totally non-quality contents from getting undesired high voting! However, initiating this idea tends to change people's mentality from using voting bots. I don't think the idea is a bad one! Thanks!!
Ist das nicht auch VTS?
https://blurtblock.herokuapp.com/blurt/upvote/
Soweit ich weiß, votet und zahlt er abhängig von der Delegationshöhe aus - also ja. Bin nur kurz drüber geflogen, scheint mir noch der humanere unter den VTS zu sein. Das Thema hat sich für mich aber eh erledigt, ich schone meine Nerven.
Nerven schonen ist immer wichtig!!!
Ich habe auch nur nachgefragt weil ich auf dieser Seite auch die Aufforderung fand, für
tekratze - saboin - kamranrkploy etc. zu voten.
Danke Dir für deine Info.
LG.
Where is everyone going to ? Back to Hive ? Steemit ? VYBrainium maybe ?
Are you guys creating a new place or something ? Or just giving up on blogging ???
For my part, I prefer to go offline. Maybe I'll make a new account, OffLineLife - that would be something, beautifully contradictory as life is.
My life is one big contradiction. I have been trying to go off the grid for 30 years now.
I Finally found a home here on Blurt.
Thanks for again deviating from the main issue. I stand down because it is stupid even discussing because I am the one stupid here to think of having a discussion.
Everyone is wrong, except your group.
We are the wrong people.
Be happy now.
Before even i came blurt was your family, so i am the one who should go.
Bye.....
Please keep in mind, English is not my native language. And it is often difficult to get your point across even in your native language. We all make mistakes, no one is perfect. You can believe me, my intention was never to hurt you. If it happened anyway, then I apologize.
But I also think it's better to take a break now. A good discussion gives energy to each participant and we are just robbing each other energy. Maybe we'll find a basis for understanding each other better someday, because I think that we are not that far apart in terms of our ideas and views.
I already closed the topic. But i appreciate you saying. Thanks
I am surely going on a long break from development