The Noble Lie....And when to use it.

in blurtnews •  7 months ago 

In Plato's 'The Republic', a noble lie, is lie knowingly told by an elite, to maintain social harmony.

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Parents are, by default - 'the elite'.
In the eyes of their children, at least.

To the young child, they are the all powerful, all knowing, benevolent authority.

Parents tell versions of 'noble lie's' all the time to their children - and rightly so, if it is done with pure intent and, in the estimation of the parents, the results are beneficial to the child.
'Eat yer carrots, and you wont go blind', that kinda thing.
(it may not always be the case of course - far from it in fact - but that is not a discussion for this post).

Is a lie by omission, a noble lie?
'...I didn’t lie; I just didn’t tell you...'.
A lie by omission - When important information is not told as part of a story.
Failings to correct factual errors (in order to hide a truth) is also a lie by omission.

My point is that somethings are best not discussed with children.
Like if you're trying to get them off the dopamine factory of playing computer games, to do table top war games.

You don't tell them ' this will enhance your character', or 'build great skills for life in adulthood', or 'it might ignite a creative spark in you that could lead anywhere', or 'it might send you down the rabbit holes of learning all about history and feed your brain', or..you get the point.

You don't TELL them these things, these are things known to you.
You tell them 'lets have a fun campaign, you can be General Mayhem, and I'll be Major Chaos. ...Here I made a map earlier, lets see what you can do. You have 34 units of infantry, cavalry and artillery, I only have 25, so you're invading me, the country of Libtardia. And hen we touch pieces on the map, we then play the battle out on a war game board, and I'm gonna whip your ass, soldier !'

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You get the idea.
FUN.

So instead of a night sat down in front of a screen, you can have hours of fun letting your imaginations run wild, connecting with each other, talking, educating while playing...
(as opposed to both staring zombie like at a screen, dopamine addled, like a heroin addict waiting for their next fix.)

Again, I'm sure you get the idea.

You (the parent) might not even be that bothered about the war game, but muster up the enthusiasm for it, knowing how beneficial the skills learned are uber beneficial to your kid .
This is called being an adult.
A good parent.

So fuck the lazy ass route , the easy route...
YOUR preferences are always secondary to your children's future.
Always.

Get weaving, put in the effort, get war gaming, get educating, get connecting...
Oh, and have an improved relationship with yer kids.

Take the hit - tell the noble lie.
Take responsibility.

The butterfly effect.

Chaos theory - 'the butterfly effect' is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, in which a small change in one state can result in large differences in a later state.

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They may love war gaming- they may not like it at all - but at least give them the opportunity to discover a whole new world of imagination, creativity, exploration, and character building skills...

Anecdotal story.
Many years ago, I convinced a father to try out a wargame with his sone (he was 12 or 13 at the time).
The father wasn't into it at all, but he persevered for a few games/battles (it bored him silly..lol).

The kid (who I knew and saw 'a spark' in him) loved it.
He went on to do some great, great things (and still is as far as I know).
he told his dad many years later, that one of the reason his life took the direction it did - was down to war gaming when he was younger, and the spark that it ignited in him - the passion of historical research.

The butterfly effect...

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...or is that 'the angel effect'?...lol

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  ·  7 months ago  ·   (edited)

I think that is excellent advice to every parent not to do "pedagogue talk" to their kids. You ruin it all, as you rightly pointed out.

The difficulty between parents and children is, when they are very young. If you have a huge intellect you get easily bored with little ones, for example. Playing with ones kids is - I think - a modern phenomena.

Adults did not play with their kids in former times, kids played with each other and the older kids taught the younger ones. Since we only have 1,3 children each woman, that became a non opportunity. So we moms/dads stick with that boring task to entertain the little ones, if we are not in the lucky position to have other little ones to be in our homes on a daily basis. I tried to have other children at our place as much as possible, but it was quite tedious to manage it; would have been easier to give birth to more than one kid (but what did I know back then). Some parents really didn't like to hand their children over to me - LoL.

Since I am not a man, I do not have much to say about war games. I heard it several times though, that engaging in such games has a positive effect. I don't know.

  ·  7 months ago  ·  

The difficulty between parents and children is, when they are very young. If you have a huge intellect you get easily bored with little ones, for example

pft - surely, if the parents intellect is so great, they can stop being intellectually lazy and create non stop constructs to educate while challenging themselves at the same time.
Seem like a fantastic opportunity for the parent to stretch those intellectual muscles(?) to satisfy all concerned (?).

Using my dog as a comparison (apparently like a three year old, I dunno)...I never get bored messing about and doing shit with her/them. Not too much intellectual convo.
...it's far more stimulating than trying to get a convo on blurt !...(with the exception of present company and half a dozen other users, obviously..lol)

Adults did not play with their kids in former times,

I think they did - but in a real world setting (teaching 'em to farm, blacksmith, etc)..education and play at the same time.

Yeah, kids 'true playtime'was very much among their peers.

Since I am not a man, I do not have much to say about war games. I heard it several times though, that engaging in such games has a positive effect. I don't know.

Don't be so sexist !..lol
ANYTHING that indulges critical thinking, and stimulates creativity muscles both at the same time , is a winner (for everyone).
War games tend to be very male dominated, for obvious genetic/psychological reasons. Only 2% of war gamers are female,( apparently) but I don;t give the stat too much credibility.
(For every 'social war gamer', there are dozens of solo war gamers so as such, these stats are not to be trusted - imo).

My man and I recently went to the beach and saw the father of a little three year old girl with her pink shovel and bucket. And the father walks to the water with the little bucket and back to the place where his daughter is waiting for him, because he has offered to be her playmate and she divides up the roles as to who has to do what. Yes, we have seen how entertaining it was for this father to do this (not). And laughed gleefully, because thank goodness we're out of that business. LoL

I think they did - but in a real world setting (teaching 'em to farm, blacksmith, etc)..education and play at the same time.

Agreed. Though I don't see this as primarily playing from the adults perspective, but as to have a coherent setting to feel a sense of meaning, for both, the parent and the kid. While the kid may play, the adult can teach and enjoy the process (or not, haha:D, when the kid just doesn't get it).

Don't be so sexist !..lol

LoL, but I am. I have zero interest for war games. It just doesn't catch. Shrug shoulders.
I do have an interest though for strategic considerations, when I watch movies (like Vikings), for example.

Back in the 90s I used to watch my boyfriend, playing computer jump n run games or ego shooters. I was really engaged in watching, but never wanted to play, since the controller drove me nuts and I was not eager at all to train my skill.

  ·  7 months ago  ·  

....Though I don't see this as primarily playing from the adults perspective, but as to have a coherent setting to feel a sense of meaning, for both, the parent and the kid.

Indeed, but we first have to look at the purpose of what play really is.
Teaching.
It isn't for playing's sake - that's just the very nice messenger, but not the message.
(not just in humans, either.)

You've never played 'risk'?..that's a fun, easy war game - on a board.
(if you like that, and wanna upgrade on board game exp. - Axis and Allies is even better- more 'wargamy')

'Vikings' was an excellent production....well, the first 3 or 4 of the series- after that it kinda 'died a little'... (last thing I've ever watched, I think ..lol)

Computer games have their place - I suppose ( I say very begrudgingly..lol)
As for 'quality time spent' they cannot compete with ANY tactile, real world experience, game - of any kind.

Computer war games are the cheapo version of Mcdonalds drive thru - and tabletop games are a three course, 5 Michelin stars , french cuisine, experience !
(rarely enjoyed with sexy french waitresses, however..... Oh well, can't have everything, I suppose...)

You've never played 'risk'?

I did. It was when I was about twenty, and my boyfriend and I played hours and hours of risk with my brothers. I was all into it. Kinda hated it, though.

I love playing table top games but the most I love playing cards. We invented our own rules with known card games and made them more exciting and advanced. I was creating own cards and card games, painting blanks with motives during a holiday and had a lot of fun doing that.

I built an entire wooden domino game in collaboration with my brother in his workshop, modelled on the Cuban domino (with nine eyes as the highest tile) and then painted the tiles with different motifs on the back. It was such a wonderfully creative affair.

I once built a version of the board game Aggravation for my son in the style of the Avatar comic figure and there were disappearing and reappearing spots if you landed on one of the four Ahng fields. I drew the Nikelodeon figures on the game board. I stuck quotes on the back, which I wrote on small strips of paper (lots of quotable sayings in the series) and burnt off the edges with a lighter.

Then I once discovered a very old German game and also copied the idea onto cardboard and added Harry Potter sayings and hexes and also other themes. It was called the "ladder game" and is for rolling dice. I've played so many board and card games in my life that you can call me a gaming pro. LoL

Computer games have their place - I suppose ( I say very begrudgingly..lol)
As for 'quality time spent' they cannot compete with ANY tactile, real world experience, game - of any kind.

What else could I do but agree after you've heard me talking.

Computer war games are the cheapo version of Mcdonalds drive thru - and tabletop games are a three course, 5 Michelin stars , french cuisine, experience !

HaHa! Nicely compared.

  ·  7 months ago  ·  

there you go ! - you build the wargames, and the kids play them !..it's win win!

You tube channel coming up !
...guides and instructions on how to build simple, cheap - but pretty aesthetically pleasing m tabletop features,
....For various scales (6 mm troops up to 28 mm figures,prob) - and rules sets to conduct simple war games (and military campaigns), for a few different time periods (ancients, horse and musket, ww2/Vietnam-ish).

....Coming up !

....and bespoke whole package deals will be available, all ready made and painted , plus rules , and some 'block types' of soldiers - (not hand painted models)....from moi ! - also uber cheap....less than $100 - nearer 80 - for $300 (+) packages...
....not exactly for the money obviously (I love doing this shit !)...around 40 hours work on a full 'set up' ready to go game , I recon (depending on scale and details)

'the company motto'?..lolol...
....'if it saves just one kid from not becoming a zombie, it'll be worth it'...lolol

You tube channel coming up !

Provide me a link (once its online).

Though don't expect me to play with little soldiers - LoL :D
I am curious to see those creations.

Good luck!

  ·  7 months ago  ·  

Will do !

...there's some piccies of the start... (the white house is about 18-20 mm tall, to give you an idea of the small scale)
... Never made small models like this before - much harder than making models for 28 mm figures! ...These are for 'kriegsspiel' type blocks of regiments (about 6/10 mm, if using painted figures).

I'm a bit rusty, but hey, practice practice practice !
https://blurt.blog/blurtnews/@lucylin/58gutr-a-sexy-transformation-with-lots-of-sticky-white-stuff

That pic looks like the Brisi beer! ;D

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  ·  7 months ago  ·  

It's a very rare occurrence that I am at a loss for words....lolololol

...hope you're doing good, cobber ! lol

I'm doing fine bud, thanks for asking! 🙏🏽🍀Have yourself a lovely weekend! 🌿🌞

Reminds me of years ago when my son was in his teens. He talked me into playing WOW with him. When he was much younger did the whole Candyland type games as well.

I'm different than most when it comes to omission equals lying. I owe no one my knowledge, and I don't consider withholding it as lying. I've always thought it strange so many consider it so.

It's almost as baffling to me as the feminists/folks of certain racial characteristics who blame everything wrong on everything but themselves, as though despite being "equal" they never seem capable of agency. I always thought they were arguing why they weren't equal. If one has no agency then they need to be kept off the playground.