I also believe that there are more important rights than the right of freedom of speech.
I'm an advocate for free speech, yet at times such as this when it collides with property rights it will lose. None of us have the right to be a guest in the area of anothers property and speak indefinitely however we wish when the owner doesn't want that speech. Made even more obvious in my opinion when the owner can themselves be held legally liable if it is speech that can get the owner penalized once there has been a complaint made by a person the speech has been used against.
I have seen many times now in my time here megadrive take heat that was undeserved in my opinion, and every time he has sought some kind of middle ground that has often gotten him more heat.
I appreciate very much when you say
Let's say someone decided to create an application where only videos will be seen, without descriptions. Or only certain types of videos, let's say about gardening only
I mentioned in a recent post I did on potential uses for Blurt for companies to use it for in house rewards systems, or employee bonuses or for tracking training module completion, etc. There are many uses that could be business or interest focused that could see very limited front ends created for those uses. None of us would have the right to log onto those sites if we weren't the target audience, nor spam their sites with muh freedom of speech. They would be perfectly within their rights to create a different log in system that only those targeted for the use could use, to further limit the posts and comments etc to those made within their specific front end.
On the topic of free speech, on a personal level can understand why after a point one is beating a dead horse. After an initial disagreement, if one side continues to pursue the other side who chose to disengage it would seem likely to me that to the average onlooker this could be viewed as harassment and bullying. I have full empathy for any front end owner who doesn't desire facing any legal repercussions for this, and being a free speech chain those who desire a more confrontational approach that could be viewed by others as such can feel free to create their own free for all website that has no limitations and accept that burden completely on their shoulders. The chain allows all of this, just a matter if others are willing to shoulder that risk they would demand another to take upon theirs.
Thanks for leaving such a thoughtful comment.
even facebook and discord and patreon and youtube have options to create "invite only" spaces where the creator of the space has the option to kick people out.
the "freedom-of-speech" exists with the equal ability to create YOUR OWN PRIVATE SPACE
when you speak PUBLICLY you will be subject to PUBLIC RIDICULE
blurt needs this
hive should have implemented this
So much this.
I believe this was pretty much the first debate we ever had 🙂
Bullying is an interesting (for lack of a better word) subject. When somebody perceives themselves to be being bullied, who are we to tell them that they're not? When that person says "I feel that you're bullying me, please stop it" and the other person chooses to continue, then the bullying becomes clearer to all onlookers.
Exactly. Many don't understand that quite often when one is attacking another that it reflects as much, and often more on the one attacking that the one being attacked. Quickly creating questions such as why the compulsion to go scorched earth and in this way as to involve spectators. The link I shared mentioned that aspect of it, the use of the public square being used to recruit others to the cause of belittlement against the target.
It's a (I can't think of the appropriate word) confidence building mechanism - if they rally the troops to support them, then it increases the feeling of "being right". It helps to remove the doubt that they're behaving inappropriately and could perhaps even be considered "mob mentality". Which as I type this, it sounds very much like what a group of bullies would do at school - egging each other on to go one step further.
Interestingly enough
The video and link I shared primarily discusses the cyber bullying in terms of kids. Most of the research I did before writing this seems aimed at kids.
One of the common areas as well addresses one of the root dis-eases that comes from this as
Which in essence magnifies the stress of the one being targeted. I saw that happening in this situation as well although being many involved are from my circles I wonder at the level of awareness on the full implications. I believe I mentioned in one of my comments to another on this that the dynamics of Hive (and Steem before that) was one that was conducive to conflict and the mindset has been ingrained in many without their understanding it is a mindset that one can let go of.
Blurt has a structure unique in the potential for respect with the absence of the flag and stake negation. That so often came with mobs of bullies who rallied to curry favor with those in power using those flags.
In this current case the one targeted did initiate the confrontational dialogue, to which I did initially respond although in a way that was designed to allow her a respect while warning she was setting herself up to be a target. To which she in turn informed me my views weren't welcome so I gave her the last word. I didn't need the last word. All the words were already said and at that point it would be just bickering to be bickering.
I've said often that when one is debating an idea, if it turns to personal attack that then becomes relentless, that most times it grows to be a reflection and cause for examination of the one wielding the attacking words and no longer the target of such words. Questions arising to motivations and desired results.
I say this as someone who at times has been a broken record on my defense of property rights and speech. And my motivations have been because I see that bad thoughts (as well as good thoughts) are indeed communicable and if they are mired in dis-ease it can quickly spread as it is adopted by more folks who are spreading it to others.
I do believe if we can reach a point where one respects others property and personhood that it opens a door to being able to disagree with ideas yet not denigrate the one holding the ideas in contention.
Thanks so much for adding your thoughts to this conversation.
Ah yes, of course it was. There's an assumption that once we become adults, we grow out of that kind of behaviour but there's certainly something about being online (not just on Hive) that makes the inner child appear.
I suppose in situations like this, people don't have time to stop and think. They read something, assume it's confrontational and start / continue a fight that isn't necessarily there. In time, they'll do this to so many people and wonder why they're alone. Not knowing the background (and not being particularly interested in finding it out).
I don't know... a large portion of society has stopped listening to what's being said and instead hears what they want to hear. The conversation that was never had from words that were never said from a world view that isn't shared. I've always had an amusing thought that my gran's generation never said what they thought - my mum's generation complained in private - my generation complains politely - the next generation complains loudly and aggressively about everything.
Off I go on my little tangent...
You're always welcome 🙂