I mean we differ a bit here because I don’t mind site rules as long as they are clear when I sign up to the site
I agree. Which is why I said if they begin stripping property rights that existed when I joined I'll be out of here as it no longer resembles the respect of property rights it held when I joined.
However someone choosing an individual person and removing their right to post / earn etc to me is descrimination. I think we think a bit differently on this one.
I'm not sure where you saw me advocating this.
I didn’t lol I think we have a bit of a communication miss match it might be me not explaining things right I don’t always find it the easiest to type. But what I’m saying is that I personally don’t mind site rules that feel in the benefit of the site as a whole and it’s users. If I don’t like them I’ll leave. What I don’t like is specific people being targeted or unable to earn / post etc etc
I don't mind rule changes that respect speech and property. I'm still unclear under the current system who or what is being targeted unfairly.
I think this convo is about upvu right? And the bot voting service
That was one of a few topics, yes. In regards to their service, I'm pro property rights. In the case of who mega votes for, I'm for property rights. In the case of someone deciding they wish to support or not support a side in a war, I'm pro property rights, lol.
In the case of upvu, I've stood strong on my defense and advocacy of their service, seeing it as a boon tot he project while at the same time strongly saying those who use their services should strictly be a pure investor with no aspirations for building a community around themselves.
I even advocated if such a service was disliked and folks hated seeing posts on trending to allow one to just log into their wallet and collect rewards as if they self voted 10 times, which actually probably pays more than upvu (they need a cut) and would still draw pure investors. Would minimize some of the posts on trending, although as an example i just saw elsewhere oldstone produces some of the highest quality posts I can read here.
I don’t think my ones proposing he should be forced to vote or not vote for anyone but as he had freedom to vote ppl have freedom to talk about it / have opinions. The difference here is no one can downvote either cause they don’t like his vote choice, or the opinions against it… it’s just discussion. I’m talking more about upvu tho
And by extension all the wallet holders who have collaborated with their service.
I mean I’m not judging anything right or wrong I’m just engaging in discussion about whether the whole idea of services like upvu are beneficial for the platform or not and whether there is things that could be put in place to minimise them taking over trending. For me I don’t even really care about trending but obviously this is going to put so many people off coming to the platform if they go on trending in the first thing they see is just useless posts for the whole page. Like world Pro said they might as well just keep the post empty and put posted just for the up the vote would be more authentic.But yeah it’s not really a case of right or wrong because at the moment anything anybody does is okay but there are things that could be put in place to change things and personally if it made the site better and was the general consensus of all the users I would be okay with that.
I guess this would hold more weight to me if one could have pointed at our sister and mother chain and shown they ever had a trending that didn't suck.
Yeah not sure why ppl don’t just self upvote rly
I don't either. I demonstrated yesterday in my comments (without actually voting) how quick I could make 10 comments that could all be upvoted 100% which is also not discouraged here. The payout would have to be higher as there would be no cut going to upvu (or their competitors like tomoyon).
I think it’s because on one post it hits trending
Guess more likely to hit trending when on one post ?
Human nature says that most will not be squandering their upvotes on authors who never reciprocate. The folks using these services sacrifice community votes which is why I don't recommend them for those who also wish to grow by community.
But they are taking up nearly all of the trending right now and I guess that is important to new uses. I’ve also seen several people judge our platform because of our trending and laugh at it. I mean there’s many ways of working the issue and it’s something people can chat about and we are chatting about it here. Another thing is changing the way the trending system works making it more on comments than pay out or making it a mix of pay out comments and upvotes. This is all just discussion
Not all of those posts suck, not even the ones using upvu.
I sometimes translate the posts by oldstone and they are among the best on the platform in my opinion. However, because he uses upvu I only curate him on the rare occasion my feed is barren of good posts.