On Private Property And Privacy

in blurt •  3 years ago  (edited)

There has recently been much discussion that appeared seemingly out of nowhere here at Blurt on topics such as one person one account and account censorship for the "right" reasons. Both of which raise the question on where one stands for personal rights to ownership and privacy, which in my opinion falls under somewhat of the same umbrella.

Based on some of the insinuations in the posts I've read, these posts are the result of numerous conversations that have been taking place once again in the shadowy corners of Discord, where so many of us have witnessed is used for secret courts and plans against the so called lower class minions of blockchain. My appreciation goes out to those of you who insisted that this talk taking place there now by some on Blurt be brought to the light of the blockchain so many with power seem to fear. Not all, as one who posted about this is one of the largest stakeholders who has always had a stance away from such cowardly actions and believes ALL stakeholders should have a voice.

I will address these quickly, as they don't require the usual long verbiage of which many are familiar is my usual contribution.

Privacy

Talk of ID verification has been mentioned to force a one person one account scenario. These draconian measures that intrude on ones ability to have privacy is so in your face everywhere one goes now. Many like myself are sick of it. Not one person here needs to know who I am. If it bothers you that you don't know, then stop reading what I write and voting for me and leave me alone. That is what a person of property (stake) does with their stake when they don't approve of a use on it. They don't share it. They don't use it as a club to force compliance so they can be all safe and cozy (in their mind). Your power of ownership ends where it begins taking away my ownership.

To place this in context, in my previous stint on Steem and Hive I blogged on very powerful people who are in politics, military and intelligence and criminal organizations. Exposing their business of trafficking humans, often women and children, for sex slavery and organ harvesting. The locality of where I lived within an hour of the U.S. Mexican border is one of the major hubs for this, and sees much support for the illicit schemes from military bases, law enforcement, media, and politicians.

I still have family that live there, most of my acquaintances are still there. I have a reason for not wanting any of you to personally know who I am. None of you are worth endangering myself, my family and acquaintances in some bid to make you feel "safe" that you aren't voting or interacting on someone who is a fraud or pretending they are artists that they aren't. If you question the persons legitimacy, then stop voting for them and interacting. Grow up and make that exchange between the two of you yours, don't drag me into it. I'm not responsible in that exchange. Ownership is just that, and if you can't handle the responsibility of owning stake then maybe ownership isn't for you.

I believe I speak for many when I say that any attempt to force us to identify ourselves will see several like myself move on to greener pastures.

Private Property

There is talk of censoring folks from using their stake now, because it is either self serving to much for the liking of some. Or, because they are cashing out to much. I believe some of this exasperation about the cashing out is due in large part to the fact that everyone was airdropped from Steem, including the most toxic account owners who went on to now rule over Hive.

Obviously many of them hold Blurt with disdain. And sell off to cash out as well as depress coin value.

But you know what, thems the breaks!!

I came here despite that from the toxic depths of Hive. I prefer a low value coin if they offer respect of property (no downvote theft) no censorship or censureship and the ability for one to maintain their own privacy.

I believe that these high valuations on real freedom that are growing so hard to find makes Blurt a place we shall see others like myself migrate to as it gets understood what is being offered here. And by default, it will see more buying the coin investing in their place here in our community as it did with myself and as we have seen of late. This exodus that will only grow if we stand by our stance on private property rights being protected.

Protected enough that not only will it offset those initial stakeholder airdrops, but weekly see their influence on degrading the coins value fall as their initial stake diminishes in comparison to those of us who add value here bringing others of like mind like water rising to its own level.

I saw one comment as an example of someone opposed to these new measures mentioning they were in the process of converting their 300000 Hive for Blurt now being on pause as they await now what the consensus is on respecting private property and privacy.

For everyone that speaks up there are perhaps dozens who just silently observe in agreement.

I'm going to close this out here with this.

Force draconian measures that limit freedom and ownership/privacy rights and you can kiss off Blurt going anywhere. Many looking to come here will move on, I will move on. There are other more profitable areas on the net for those who don't mind such ownership erosion and intrusion into privacy.

For many like myself, I will choose not to move on. I gave up Steem, I gave up on Hive, I gave up on Fakebook etc.

It was remarked on Hive when one with much engagement (logiczombie) used my leaving as a reference to prove something needed to change at Hive to stop those like myself from leaving. The response was that I needed thicker skin.

No, I don't need thicker skin. I don't need Hive. I didn't need Steem. I don't need Blurt.

I'm here by choice, and because I believe a platform that offers me privacy and freedom and respect of property rights aids my life in having quality. Take that away and the ideas and mechanics that add that quality are now gone, and like a free bird, so am I.

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Hey sorry, I'm swamped with preparing to announce another airdrop on Blurt, but please be assured I will never agree to KYC, EOS Voice failed because of that.

Thank you for taking time to weigh in with all that you have going on. It came as a surprise to me when suddenly several posts from leaders in Blurt, witnesses began popping up simultaneously on this. Such strong areas of contention need immediate examination with positions stated. I appreciate you agree and gave time you could use elsewhere to reach out.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Thanks for putting in your statement.

This is a deep one. I was never part of Steem but I heard about blurt for the very first time over the weekend and I have been buying it gradually. Just bits of it. Can't wait to throw in money into it for real.

Now, this whole debate is something that shouldn't be here in the first first. The focus should rather be on giving proper support to quality contents so that the quality of contents here will improve.

I've had enough of censorship from government. At the moment, Crypto enthusiasts are paraded as criminals in my country so, I'm always walking in thin ice, but I can't stop because giving in to their demands is the same as living under the dictatorship that exists in places like North Korea.

I dumped Facebook immediately after opening it back in 2012. Yeah, I saw alot of stuff which I didn't like there.

Long story short, I see alot of goodnews here and projects are coming here. For example, DREEMPORT project already has an account here and operation will start fully as soon as possible.

This whole identify verification stuff is a No-no. Just saying my mind. I did my research before joining here. I wouldn't want to start having mixed feelings already.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Now, this whole debate is something that shouldn't be here in the first first. The focus should rather be on giving proper support to quality contents so that the quality of contents here will improve.

100% agree. To be blunt most of what is posted here, IN MY EYES, is crap. But I don't complain. The posters of such content have paid their fees to post, and whoever votes on it is the owner of THEIR stake. I have a lengthy muted list and a robust follow list that I have issues of late even keeping up with.

There is a large market for freedom loving people who are being castigated and chased from most platforms for not buckling and submitting oneself to the proper mindthink like some creepy Stepford wife robot. Blurt has a unique opportunity to catch some of these people, many of whom have migrated to crypto and have significant holdings due to their appreciation and need to find some corner left unmolested by the control freak Karens and the farmers of men who aim them as weapons against self sufficient free thinkers.

Crypto enthusiasts are paraded as criminals in my country so, I'm always walking in thin ice, but I can't stop because giving in to their demands is the same as living under the dictatorship that exists in places like North Korea.

Here in the US they are trying to make crypto both unprofitable once you pay them their slice of regulation hoops and taxes, and make it the next great "war on" that will be their new push to fill the for profit prisons. I saw that a couple of years ago and pay my taxes on it as I predict in the next 5 years there will be many who will find out the hard way crypto isn't as hard to track as they thought it was and they are stripped of all their assets and freedom to become slaves in the prison system.

This whole identify verification stuff is a No-no. Just saying my mind. I did my research before joining here. I wouldn't want to start having mixed feelings already.

I agree. I'm almost speechless this is suddenly a topic now of all times when we see the coin has went up in value like 1000% and holds promise to continue its ascent with those fed up and looking to migrate here in their search for respect, freedom and privacy. I wonder if one or more of the voices behind this wish to sabotage what is happening.

Unlike Hive where I left quietly, none of this is set in stone. Powerful accounts here have brought this from the shadows of Discord to the light of the blockchain. It's why I haven't just begun my quiet power down. I believe the foundation to be one of ethics, and further believe they will honor the principles they installed when they ventured into this project out of disagreement with the way things were on Steem and would continue to be on Hive. Sacrificing those would be a death blow to the chain, and make them a poor mans copy of what already isn't working for those that were drawn to the initial vision of Blurt.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I only have 1 account, only want one also. That would never work anyway, face id etc because if I wanted extra accounts I could get family or friends to open one for me, but one will do, thank you very much. And I paid for it, yes only $3 but it was my $3.
Superb thoughts, glad I left hive and steemit too.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Blurt stands for free speech, liberty and freedom!

I’m pretty sure that The founders and developers of Blurt will work very hard to keep Blurt the best place to blog.

Blurt is a blockchain Social Media project that rewards its users from a daily rewards pool for posting good content. Blurt solves the downvote predicament by not including downvotes in the native chain logic and stands for free speech, liberty and freedom!

Source: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/blurt/

I must read a little more to understand the context of this discussion. Many people are fleeing from other networks because of censorship and mistreatment, in some even if you don't do KYC, you must follow a series of steps to reveal your identity and prove that you are a real person, in order to be eligible to receive positive votes. It does not seem sensible to me that a person coming from another chain wants to impose conditions to bring his money here and that the rest of us must accept. Blurt has survived great malicious attacks and we refuse to die, time and time again we have come through despite all odds. Blurt is represented by a strong and united community, by founders who have stuck to their guns and given their all to keep this project afloat and we must continue to do so.

Hi Vickie,

I wanted to clarify something. Those curious about coming aren't demanding anything. They are stating they will not come if the rules change to require KYC, which megadrive affirmed in this post would never be a requirement at Blurt.

I made a followup post where I explain why someone like myself would never take part in such a requirement. I present it not as a demand, just a fact that I would never participate in that and would power down and leave if ever such a thing became a requirement. Not a threat, just a statement of fact.

Please don't mistake the harshness of tone in that post as being directed at you either. It's directed at the person who commented to me that I quote in the post itself, as they are a hypocrite as well as wishing to demand what I wont give. To ironically protect them from others who do just what they themselves are doing. You just can't make this stuff up.

I hope everything goes well, it would hurt me to see you go, you are one of the people I am fond of on this platform and I respect you very much for being firm in your principles.

Thank you for your kind views and thoughts. I don't see myself going anywhere as with all the discussions that took place here the foundation and tech folks have made it clear where they stand on all of this, which is for freedom and anonymity for those who desire it. :)

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Guao es genial leer esto! Tomé la decisión acertada al mudarme para acá como creadora de contenido aquí me siento bien, y como compañeros de plataforma a ustedes los aprecio aunque casi no nos conozcamos.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I have Steem and Hive accounts. But, to be honest, I feel more comfortable in Blurt. On the two platforms, I've rarely been active there. Blur is different.

With all my abilities and what I can, I will work to help raise Blurt. I will continue to be on Blurt. I will continue to grow and grow with Blurt.

At Steem and Hive to succeed one must adopt restrictive measures that are approved by the largest stakeholders. They do not value community where one is free to be themselves and use their stake as they see fit. You are to be a robot following their strict programming rules or they will chase you out using the most disrespectful means at their disposal.

Here is one of the many Hive Lists. This one is public and probably created by one of the hivewatchers (hive witnesses funded agenda) members.

Just an example how Hive promotes freedom, even without downvotes. We don't need any kind of segregation here

https://hive.blog/@quackwatch

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Full freedom, here as HiveWatcheers has become a xenophobic element, with a clear speech of aggression that goes against the fundamental principles of man but is applauded in Hive.
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Kept forgetting to come back to this because it was in response to another comment.

I think that is telling that at times they are brutally honest in their intent and the masses (like in the physical world where there is more opportunity for denial) still applaud and support the stripping of dignity from others.

The allegations made against an entire group of people is outrageous. What I find equally disturbing is that there is still a large Venezuelan community there willing to overlook such sentiment, sacrificing principles out of desperation. If they would all walk away as more are doing now, it would add value where they would go (Blurt?) and make the circle jerk taking place at the top more obvious as they wouldn't be able to hide behind the illusion of community that they allow others to build and maintain for them.

This comes down to shirking personal responsibility. I don't need to be protected from others posts. I don't need someone to guide me on how to vote my stake. These lists and bandwagons are mostly a bunch of brainwashed karens being formed into mobs by a power structure that holds them with as much if not more disdain than who they are aimed at.

We each build out own personal communities with our follow lists. I'm not responsible for the list you build, you are not for the list I build.

Blurt (so far) has been a place of freedom to be oneself without fear of reprisal for what one thinks or shares. I've seen no denigration towards others, no down votes obviously as stake ownership is respected here. Those calling for such changes are either ignorant of who will bring Blurt to the next level, or aren't and don't wish to see Blurt succeed.

We already have censoring platforms. The world doesn't need yet another one. Let's stick to what makes Blurt unique and let the momentum build. I've been here since they were back up after the attack (that most likely originated from Hive) in January. I've been patiently waiting for others on the other chains to realize what I saw late last year. That Blurt is what the others refuse to allow.

I believe in the integrity of the foundation, and that they will understand the conversation taking place and that to throw away the very structure that makes Blurt desirable would be a suicide of sorts condemning them to always being a super poor version of the chains they would find themselves duplicating.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

I am an Artist and a Photographer… I have had my Photography and ARTWORK copied and pasted by other bloggers on Steemit, Hive and Weku. Pretending that they are the authors and creators of my work. Those other bloggers sometimes made more money from my photos and Artwork than I did. If I ever downvoted them I would have all my posts downvoted to zero. That’s how Hive works.

There is nothing I can do about it except contact a Crypto sleuth that will pursue those people and file a claim.

That’s all I can do.

It is not up to Blurt to control these things … It is up to me.

Exactly. In my stint in self publishing it quickly became obvious to me once it was pointed out to me on the Kboards that my work was being offered on multiple sites for free. This is commonplace for authors, and if one gets upset about it, it becomes a game of whack a mole one will never win, just have at best temporary victories in getting cooperation from web hosts in taking down if ones DMCA complaint to the website is ignored. Even Amazon Kindle recognizes this is a problem outside of the authors ability to solve when they send authors a notice of breach of Kindle Unlimited rules about work only being available on Select violations. One must disavow such connection and then submit proof of DMCA action and Amazon will hold the author free of violation.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

KYC won’t fly.

Thankfully Megadrive weighed in on the post despite his crunch for time calling him elsewhere to address that here. Elsewhere Saboin address the list that is also bothersome as we all have seen how abused that was at both Steem and Hive.

https://blurt.blog/blurt/@saboin/r2ftsp

The only part now concerning me in regards to a list that I am going to ask Saboin about now is the push so many have to force one onto Discord to plead their case. Not only does the necessity for there to be irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, but all allegations and answers should be here on the blockchain for all to see, not on some hidden area on Discord. I know I would never go to a Discord to plead for anything, nor any other reason.

If i were to ever be accused of something (which I never foresee, hell I'm a self published author who doesn't want to be tied to my work there to here) it would all need to take place here in the light where everyone could view everything firsthand. There should never be any hidden courts or accusations in my opinion. That can only foster a power hungry grab as it emboldens those who would abuse such power due to the secrecy it shrouds such power in.

Thank you for weighing in. I never know to what extent you are connected to the foundation, as there are many things that aren't what they always appear, and you in many ways are like the official mascot for Blurt. Both as an ambassador on other areas of the net to being so helpful (even in anonymous ways) here for others on the chain.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

I think that's a good idea. I know what you mean with the people who abuse their "power". We didn't have any of that when we did have the COAL list, but I can see the potential for it happening.

Having the discussions on the blockchain is probably a better way to do it. Also, posting the evidence on the blockchain is necessary, I believe.

We could give the option to come to Discord or "appeal" directly on-chain.

I never know to what extent you are connected to the foundation, as there are many things that aren't what they always appear, …

I think we should also eventually make a post introducing the core team members and what their roles are.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Yeah. I think everything should be discussed openly here in the comments. I’m just a blogger, artist, photographer, filmmaker and I offer my skills to help megadrive with YouTube, Instagram, Twitter… since I am one of the very few people these days who still use those old networks. My focus is bringing those 4-5 Billion people to BLurt so they can earn a living with their original content. Like everyone else I am working on my own to bring the value of Blurt to $1 …. $10 … $100 … $1,000 …. And so on.

In Hive the most powerful users make the rules. This goes against the whole idea of ​​cryptos as bitcoin.

IMO in the long term Hive/Steem will fail, while Blurt has a chance to suceed if the community continues to grow stronger and invest in marketing.

Agreed

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  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Well, this is no surprise to me at all. It is usual for Whales to try to control the entire platform to maintain their positions as Whales and that is not far from what is happening now
There is a hidden government already seemingly made up by some Whales in the platform and it seems roundtable decisions are now being made in some quiet group on Discord to dictate how blurt should operate. And funny enough majority of users to be affected are smaller accounts
Like I said before I'm not surprised although I'm really disappointed.
Seems like dApps are just glorified centralized platforms using the "decentralized" tag to make users feel safe and independent when the opposite is actually the case.

In Nigeria today crypto users are being arrested, I can't use Binance and several CEXs anymore cos I'm avoiding KYC. I wonder if the new blurt super powers really consider other users from different countries or I they only think of power control and how to set standards for others.
So sad

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Nope. Blurt does not work that way at all. Blurt is the best place to make a living blogging your original content, nothing compares to Blurt.

Blurt stands for free speech, liberty and freedom!

I wish to at this point ask that we give the foundation the benefit of the doubt, as well as the intentions of some of the largest stake holders here. It was perhaps the largest individual stakeholder who insisted this conversation be moved to the light of the chain, and my post has already had one of the co founders of the chain, megadrive, respond with a strong affirmation that KYC will NEVER be a requirement for Blurt.

I wish to also reassure you that if I were convinced that the foundation had nefarious intent for the chain and stake holders, I never would have made this post. As I did with Hive, I would have simply begun powering down my stake and left. I felt this post was necessary as I'm unsure who is saying what in the shadows of Discord, and whomever it was advocating for these things needs to understand how many like myself view such advocacy. The foundation as well, so that the full implications (many of us would be leaving as well as many deciding not to come who are considering it currently) of such drastic actions that infringe on anonymity and ownership would be.

I wonder if the new blurt super powers really consider other users from different countries

So to reiterate, I'm unsure who was pushing this but while they have a voice in that Discord area, they are not speaking for the foundation, nor as we can ascertain from most comments, for most of the community.

I've found the responses to my positions on this to be satisfactory for the most part, and feel comfortable that the last question I have will also result in a satisfactory response.

I have faith in the foundation and principles of this chain, the vision one of dignity for all users. The response so far to these important questions that surfaced so suddenly doing much to alleviate my concerns that are similar so much to your own.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

This is the great thing about Blurt … We can discuss these subjects, have different opinions, and nobody gets downvoted to zero.

It’s Unbelievable compared to Hive and ProofofBrain…

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Agreed.

  ·  3 years ago  ·   (edited)

Yes, I have observed time and again that there has never been any punitive action taken towards myself or account when I've taken positions against official Blurt visions, or those who are members of the foundation. It continues to demonstrate for myself a commitment to respect ones holdings as a stake owner separate from any personal feelings one might have invested in ideas. I appreciate that, as well as the overall general attitude that this fosters in the rest of the community.

I've had a few people tell me at times they didn't agree with a position I held yet on other posts after that they would continue to support me again, because on that message they did align with what I wrote about. I appreciate such grown up outlooks, even when someone tells me they disagree. It is only through such comparison of healthy disagreement that ignorance can ever be shed, which has served me well over the years in dispelling lots of personally held ignorance. That is a true scientific approach and even more so, a more humane approach as it respects the dignity of all. Instead it focuses disagreement on an idea and not the person holding it. :)

Nice Bro! Little by little, I'm going to get through all of these and broaden my perspective on what I missed in Blurt's history. Glad to see that the ultimate decision was to respect privacy.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

Identity verification is really necessary to prevent people from scamming and making posts that are not original

Or we can just identify those like yourself who do such things and choose not to vote on your posts. If someone like yourself uses others content is the responsibility of the author to come after you, not for myself. I'm not a police nor judge authority.

  ·  3 years ago  ·  

La verificación de identidad es realmente necesaria para evitar que las personas estafen y hagan publicaciones que no son originales.

Esto me huele a hive ( colmena de mrd )