I was debating wading into this again, and seeing the open letter to megadrive was the nudge I needed. My apologies it will be both lengthy and controversial and is sure to make several on both sides of this contest of wills agitated with me. I will try to be as concise as possible, despite only having two hours of sleep as I type this.
First, I will address the so called gang which I already have commented elsewhere I didn't and don't view as a conscious collaboration, more of a water rising to its own level. When one builds a community those within that community will obviously have similar interests and by nature will support one another over others who don't share interests. An example is I don't care for art, or I despise the whole selfie narcissistic scene. Of course they don't get my support, and those who I appreciate do.
Using the way one votes this would be my gang,
https://steem.uber.space/blurt/outgoing-votes/?Acc=practicalthought&Anzahl=8123
In order of Rshares
rycharde
freakeao
elkezaksek
northern-tracey
leifasaur
ajerkoff
blurtyield
angelica7
double-u
michelangelo3
And that is my top 10 all time vote rshares since coming to Blurt.
Having said that, there is a truth still to the idea that there is a manipulation that takes place at times. Megadrive (and Tekraze) isn't just imagining that there are manipulations taking place. There are several, and they do indeed originate with double-u.
This became apparent to me when he seemingly out of nowhere (I say seemingly because he obviously uses Discord a lot despite saying he is against it) pushed to force a vote to end all delegations. I'm very thankful to megadrive and the witnesses who stood up and said no.
This further became apparent in that same push when he reached out to ctime to discuss something in the privacy of Discord. I guess that it wasn't something all of us were to know though as when ctime told him he doesn't do Discord the thing needing to be discussed was not worthy of the rest of us seeing what needed discussed.
Logical conclusion of that intent is that there was to be pitched a combined united front to coerce/force the desired outcome in some new form. For sure the fact it wasn't shared publicly after the refusal to meet in the shadows of Discord doesn't suggest it was harmless.
On to the IDUVTS tag. While I see how you conduct yourself and do believe that you in no way intended for it to be discriminatory, it quickly became apparent to me by the very blunt comments made by double-u that it was going to be used for such, at least by himself.
I knew immediately when he asked the Foundation to add a feature to hover over ones name in comments to see the home page of the person that it was to further his openly stated proclamation of no support for anyone using the VTS.
One would have to be pretty dim witted not to understand that much like street gangs having to wear their colors, if one didn't wear this badge that it would be smiled on by him and perhaps others you were to be excluded.
I even wrote a post on it, which I'm pretty sure you read my thoughts on despite not being supportive of. I wish to return to this shortly in this lengthy comment.
Like it or not, it is evident for those willing to see that double-u does push his weight around here. I think some of you who associate with him are getting tarnished somewhat unfairly because of the association, some maybe not so much.
While it is somewhat understandable that he feels he has a lot invested here because he does, that doesn't mean that his motivations and intent is good for everyone. It doesn't mean he owns all of this and can just ram his every desire onto the rest of us.
I watched quietly as afrog melted down and left, his accusations at that time still in the back of my mind as I've watched so much unfold since then. In my opinion in his case, given how much I grew to respect and like them, there is surely some fire where there was smoke.
There is definitely a factor in life we see where those with power have many who will mirror that powerful persons every thought, to gain whatever benefits that will bring. Which in the case of those who are finding themselves on the receiving end of displeasure from these powerful persons will most definitely appear to be a mob of conspirators regardless.
A social community will always be a reflection of life. Different views, tensions that will exist even at times among those who are close. Many times in these relationships there will be a dominant one and a submissive one. It is the rare relationship where the two are strong enough to hold their own when opinions and desires clash, and don't take it personally when they do.
They don't damn one another for opposing views, because of how they treasure one another. Yet will not be silent in damning the view itself. One of the most powerful songs I've ever heard on this exact issue.
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/gunsnroses/dontdamnme.html
So I send this song to the offended
I said what I meant and I've never pretended
As so many others do, intending just to please
If I damned your point of view, could you turn the other cheek?
That last line contains such a powerful truth. The key to the social dilemma. Whether cohesion can be had for a large community to form from smaller ones, or whether there will be hatred among the smaller ones because there simply is no turning the other cheek.
I'm a hard man, and I know this. Yet it is this hardness that allows me to speak up no matter who is presenting the idea is. But that is where it must remain. The idea. I'll give a further example of this.
I'm guessing it's pretty apparent now that I don't feel a lot of kinship with double-u. It's hard to when week after week one sees a continuous flex to manipulate. And worth mentioning as well, the way he went after Tomoyan was disgusting. The fact that he felt not enough saw it the first week he did it, but had to share it a second week for those who might have missed it doubling down on the manipulation. Anyway, back to the point.
Despite all of these barriers I see that ensure he isn't someone that will generally be in the glue of my personal community, I don't hate him. I hate many of his ways, and many of his ideas he wishes to foist on others. But I also can see the many good things he does as well, able to see it and not damn him for speaking his point of view. Wary yes, damn him as a man and refuse to see when we align, no.
An example was most recent, one that sent all of these pent up energies loose after such buildup.
The idea that Blurt would officially get involved militarily as a blockchain. I was relieved to see that after consideration and seeing how many of us weren't for that a change in course was made. Before moving on to my point, I wish to use this to contrast the many manipulations I've spoken of with double-u.
If this had been an idea by double-u I have no doubt that there would have been no reversal in push. Perhaps a biding of the time while a new form of attack was planned. So we can clearly see how one path is respectful of the communities, the other seeks to bend the communities to their will.
Anyway, the point.
I saw that post saying we were doing this, and I upvoted every single person weighing in their against the idea of getting involved officially in a military way.
Every single person.
Including double-u.
Because I don't damn double-u just because he at times tries to force the chain down paths that don't respect property ownership. In this case double-u the man held/holds a point of view aligned with my own. So I upvoted him for it.
My path to Blurt was a different one that his. The experiences that shaped us, the views we hold to be truths in the limited perception bubbles.
And despite my harsh assessments and words here regarding him, I in no way have ever felt he would seek to destroy Blurt. I believe his intention, based on his path that led him here feels his ideas are for the betterment of Blurt. I feel different on many of those ideas, but regardless he is not operating as some monster out to crush everyone because he would see the chain fail.
So, I speak up when I believe he is wrong. Keeping in mind that in areas outside of these disagreements, there is always fertile soil that could produce a crop of agreement.
That approach is the ONLY WAY a large community built of smaller different minded communities will EVER HAVE A CHANCE AT COHESION.
To further highlight my point, I would like to mention Elkezaksek in relation to myself.
Based on the list of my gang up above, you can see she is third on my list.
What makes this amazing using only a cursory glance is the fact that she and I are so vastly different in beliefs. I have no doubt if we were in the same room and many topics came up that by the end of the conversation each of us would be shaking our heads wondering how the other could be so dense and misguided.
And yet
Under all of these differences, I still can see her heart. Can see the vast amount of good she does for others to try to alleviate their pain. None of the truths she holds from her path that I disagree strongly with is what makes up who she is. They are points of view I damn, not HER. She is a woman of action who pushes to take action and make a difference to ease suffering.
We, all of us, are trapped in these bubbles of perception. Bubbles that protect us by the ideas we embrace to ourselves as truths. Ideas that are often wrong, especially when as many seem prone to doing, don't question the ideas being foisted on us by so called experts from the time we were children. One needs a strength to walk through ideas while suspending attachments to see the real energy behind a thing. To see the heart behind it.
Right now, as I watch what continues to degrade with folks powering down. Foundation member quitting while urging others to quit as well I see a bunch of folks who seem stuck on damning everyone else for their point of view. Not just the point of view itself.
This routine so many seem stuck in, to make it always all or nothing will never allow for anything but small communities to exist.
It will be curious to see if there will be a calming point where all involved in this highly charged situation will be able to look past the many problem areas that have been festering for some time because they have been held in unspoken. Or if healing can somehow take root here as everyone looks to themselves and asks in what way(s) they have been a catalyst for causing this enmity.
Can look at those they consider standing across the chasm that separates their desires from the other and see the heart of the person, and that heart doesn't qualify them as an enemy. Just the idea(s) that heart might be embracing.
Will be curious to see who will upvote this post 😆
Doing so could jeopardize what gang one is allowed in :/
I know, lets start our own gang. We can call it Blurt.
I think your accusation has no valid evidence. This can complicate the situation. As in the following text:
In the next paragraph you also state that if you don't use the hashtag #IDUVTS, you will be ridiculed and ostracized by @double-u and other users who use the hashtag. Like the quote below.
I think what you allege is not true. Because the use of this hashtag is not forced at all. @michelangelo3 as the originator of the hashtag suggests using it, but it's not mandatory at all, neither does @double-u, nothing I get from his posts or comments requiring users to use the hashtag #IDUVTS. There is only a suggestion to attach in the profile.
I think these ten people @rycharde, @freakeao, @elkezaksek, @northern-tracey, @leifasaur, @ajerkoff, @blurtyield, @angelica7, @double-u, @michelangelo3, best share for you. Everything is indiscriminate to support all users, they will choose depending on the quality of the post.
I hope to you and all of us to spread the information properly, without making false accusations. Because that would make the problem worse.
Reading is your friend. If you are unable to see the coercion taking place in that pub I can't aid you in seeing it.
And just because you don't mind wearing the tag, doesn't mean all of us don't mind. I don't even use VTS and find the idea of having to place it on my profile because of the "suggestion" that I shouldn't be getting voted if I don't place it there repugnant.
potato/potatoe
choice/coercion
Here I really have to disagree with you, maybe it's actually the language. double-u has asked to put the letters on the profile.
He is very consistent when it does something. And it's a time saver for him because so many guests come, so he doesn't need to look in Explorer. It's a favor that his guests have been happy to do for him. Please don't confuse that with coercion.
What I also find unfortunate was the wording guests who use VTS are not welcome. That does not mean guests who do not have IDUVTS on their profile are not welcome. Do you understand what I mean?
Hi @michelangelo3,
I'm someone who is new here... and I'm wondering what "IDUVTS" means.
Thank you for filling me in.
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Hey wil.metcalfe,
the story has become long and complicated. double-u and some others have decided to stop voting for users who delegate a large part of their power to a trading service like upvu.
Since double-u usually gets 300-400 comments in his pub posts and he can't check with everyone if they have delegated, he has asked his guests to write IDUVTS in their profile if they don't have delegation. This saves him a lot of time and most guests are happy to do him this favour. Unfortunately, this was perceived as coercion by some, so there was a lot of anger.
Now it went so far that all those who voluntarily wrote IDUVTS in their profile were sanctioned if they did not remove IDUVTS from their profile again. In short, I voluntarily wrote IDUVTS in my profile, but I will be sanctioned if I don't remove it again. So I leave it at that, because I will not be blackmailed.
"So I leave it at that, because I will not be blackmailed.!
Me too !!!
Hi @practicalthought.
I am new and still getting UP to speed with the social ins and outs here on Blurt. I'm wondering what this means?
Surely there aren't people forcing other people to wear badges here on Blurt?
That sounds pretty unfriendly. Labeling (by others rather than being given the choice to self identify) is quite a harmful social practice and history tells all in that reguard.
I'm concerned when I read things like this are happening as a social trend...
But I want to understand what's currently happening here on Blurt.
I have just dove into this pond you see.
Thank you for your attempt to be diplomatic and bring people together around common ground. This I can see (even though I am new) and it is commendable to say the least!
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
Yes, whose name is not forced, it means that it is not mandatory. If you think labeling your profile with the #IDUVTS tag is burdensome, then don't do it.
After all, no sanctions are applied here. The #IDUVTS label does not restrict all users from interacting and staying in touch.
I don't think this is a problem, so don't worry about it.
I can see why this isn't a problem for you. You believe you can tell another how to view a thing and what to think about it. There is no meeting of minds between us, so you can have a last word if you wish, but I won't be giving you any more energy, my would be mind dictator who feels has the ability to tell me what to worry about and my need to fall in line with your take on it. 🤣
Everyone has different opinions and thoughts. I appreciate your opinion and thoughts.
I'm just expressing my opinion and thoughts. If you don't like it, that's okay, because I'm not forcing you to have the same opinion as me.
Life is full of discussions, friends!😂
This statement is vastly different than
I'm glad to see you have reversed your position to allow me to concern myself with what I wish and not what you wish. Thank you.
It's just an expression of my feelings and thoughts and without limiting the opinions of others.
Hi, you seem to be watching every click of my mouse.
I can't go into many points right now, because I'm writing a very long article. It will be my last.
After that you will never have to be angry with me again in your life.
But I can very briefly clarify the point with @ctime.
@ctime had published a post asking the witnesses who supported for COAL and who did not support that.
After that, ctime made his Witness votes.
I had been watching this, and it occurred to me that he had either misunderstood some poorly worded text or got a name wrong. In any case, he gave his very strong vote to a witness who has exactly the opposite view of @ctime.
I just wanted to briefly call his attention to his little mistake.
You would think that was friendly, wouldn't you, if someone pointed out a little mistake to you.
PM message was not possible.
When I then wanted to write him a comment, but he had already noticed his little mistake by itself and corrected.
Fortunately, because it could well have been that I would have received 15 hateful comments from other users on such a comment.
So, you see, I wasn't trying to plot with @ctime to take over the Blurt reigns!
lol Conspiracy everywhere
I don't understand the stupidity of those people who don't see the difference between VTS and #iduvts. VTS never votes for accounts from outside own circle. If megadrive and "turban guy" are worrying more about VTS users than about those who do not use them and about investors, maybe they deserved a BLURT sell off. I’m gonna stop buying BLURT for some time, if nothing changes, I will look for another place
Hi buddy!
I really respect you for what you have been doing and supporting Actifit but guy should not be referred based on his dressing or Culture. Even though I'm not a Sikh, Turbans refers to lot of great things is Sikhism and has great significance in Indian culture. I hope you take it in a positive way.
Hi, I am glad to read from you!
I will publish my last post tomorrow.
I have enough!
The drama bores me, not being part of it, and those you speak of do not know I exist, thank god.
Ditto. I have no idea what this is about! And would rather not.
Boring is it not, a fight with no cause, seems a fight just for the fun of it, welcome to the over privileged world.
I appreciated his making the distinction between a person's views and the person though. This is really basic. Every parent and teacher has heard this maxim - the behavior is not the child. This has been forgotten in dealings that are adult on adult, and a whole lot of the bullying we try to correct in our children flares up in adulthood. Maybe we should just let children bully each other so they learn the harm it does before they get power over others as adults.
Pictures at a Heart Exhibition...
I was perplexed by the connection to the post until I read the top comment on the video.
Imagine if paintings could start arguing with each other.
I didn't imagine it.
Happy to be a part of the gang. I agree and disagree with everyone and keep my head down, curate good posts sometimes even against my beliefs, and write posts that don't side anywhere. I love that about blurt, I can take my own path and only sometimes chime in on issues important to me. Lets not let the conflict of the world bring conflict to blurt. Lets all dance for the moon.
I get sick of people continually leaving a platform over disagreements I am really hoping this can be the platform that allows everyone to do their own thing and communicate rather than just leave.
I sticking around ✊😎🥓👍
4 months later now, I’m curious where u think things stand? Came across this old post randomly and saw ur reply. As someone I respect here I’m just curious
if you think a group of 250 people or great can form a consensus, that would be your first mistake.
Its VERY unlikely there will be any social cohesion on any network over 250 in number. You are talking about a needle in a hay stack type of social reality, that may be too idealistic for the realty we live in with low IQ people who are respected for what they are worth, instead of relentlessly questioned about their lack of knowledge.
The ignorance from blockchain developers and big holders of coins, is much like 12 year olds playing video games and quickly turns into a 12 year olds depiction of a celebration of success with fluffy little ego boosts for everyone.
This whole 3D trend is the most repulsive thing to me, and I will not be supporting any sort of 3D social lives because that's the polar opposite of what i look for in a social life.
Thanks for the thought provoking post.
Sadly I think you might be right. I realized many years ago that most of the problems being caused in every community I've lived in is the result of decisions being made by people NOT living in the community.
When you say 3D trend, is that the whole megaverse crap where they want folks to live fake lives inside a simulated reality? I've been seeing more of that, and it scares me how many think they want such a thing. I've seen it already though as I see folks who cant stop staring at their black screens, even when they walk or drive. Friends who will get together so they can ignore one another as they stare into their black screens.
i want a 3D video game for fun, not amazon simulator 2000 lol its so funny how much of a joke their 3D shopping is at wal mart as well
I still don't align with you , but you are one i sometimes I have to agree.
You uncovered some truth with some mysteries hidden for people to find themselves.
But I will be focused more on gaming content videos as I am free from dev work now 😁
There is a saying, that even a clock is right twice a day so perhaps twice a day you will agree with me. 🤣
Sadly I suspect many things are mysteries to myself here as well. I find out many things so long after the fact that appear to be common knowledge among the Discord crowd. Even in these latest drama I've seen some things said that answered some of my questions that may have seemed skewed when I've been asking.
I want to thank you for the work you have done here, and wish you luck with your gaming content videos. I'm not a fan of them myself, as I stopped playing videos back with the original NES. So unless you do some videos on them or the older school Atari I won't know what your talking about, lol.
Best of luck to you in your new path.
You are right again.
Thanks for uncovering mysteries
Only one or two classics I have recorded
I'd love to see this healing. Sometimes it takes a sore to fester before it gets any care. I'm still seeing one community here called Blurt regardless of which node is turned on. Thanks for putting in words some of my thoughts. In kindergarten and in many elementary school classrooms there is a time out corner. Maybe we all could use a few minutes there.
It's difficult to embrace others who feel you are wrong, especially if they campaign to force the ways on you and others. Once coercion gets involved, things can and often do escalate into a tit for tat situation with all involved feeling justified due to the last actions that took place.
I love the saying that you can't unring the bell. Which is why when folks say or do something, they better be sure beforehand they can withstand the reaction to such an action.
With the amount of bell ringing that has been taking place forcing defensive postures it had to eventuate into a position where there would become offensive postures all the way around. We eventually reach a point where there is no more corner to back into.
I'm hopeful that despite the continuing fallout, that folks most energetically charged in this can take a step back and realize what role if any they played in this. And that we can hate ideas without hating the people who hold them. And that not all bad ideas are necessarily evil intent, they are just bad ideas that for some reason others think is good. It would go far in taking the sting out of disagreements.
Blurt should be the place to Blurt out ideas and then realize...
"Um... didn't think that one out well enough."
Then start again.
But this time the start again process will take a little time for everything to settle.
I imagine all of our IRL have become busy enough but you took some time for some practical thought. Thank you
Common guys!
I'm new to this platform and joined after 1 year again. Blurt Blockchain should be welcoming and as big stake holders you guys have bigger role to play. Let's just focus on bringing right projects onto blurt. I have come back again because of @actifit and it will be same with onboarding more and more projects and focus should be in same direction.
Your 100% right Praveen. We see all to much petty and obstinate conflict over on the Hive Blockchain. A friendly and welcoming Blurt is going to go a long way in retaining people and building trust along with Social Capital.
We are both new here...
And we are here for a reason.
We are looking for a social environment that is supportive and UPlifting.
It should feel like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you for speakingUP like this. Taking the initiative and paving the way for others is what this is all about.
Alone its next to impossible to win. Together we all win!
I'm glad to see you here on Blurt my brother! From Steem(it) to Hive to Blurt. You and I are sticking together and continuing to make good things happen everywhere we go! 🙌
@wil.metcalfe
Comet Ranker
I agree we all came here mostly as we were sick of the negativity, bickering and arguing along with downvoting lets try and make this a supportive place even if we have completely different ideas. The whole point of no downvote is that we can discuss ideas and in fact have to discuss them rather than just throwing power around and weight.
yep
Morning 🤬 - Independence Day in America
Please create a small group to talk with on telegram... Not Discord. @world-travel-pro and @ultravioletmag seem like the most Adult here on these chains. You connecting with them in Telegram will give you Accord... Not Discord.
✊🤬🥓👍
I just saw Will was active back here. Hope to see you back !
Whenever people gather, there will be currents of energy that seeks to pull all with it. Sometimes the things to be pulled don't wish to be along for such a ride, and they seek to stop the current from being indiscriminate in who it pulls along for the ride. At times, this seeking to not be pulled into such a current is looked upon with disfavor from those directing the current, and they will seek ways to nullify the areas of safety one has been standing upon to force the ride on the current anyway.
Such actions usually will result with escalating tensions that quite often quickly transports all involved into areas none wished to find themselves in the first place.
We will see who is able to overcome their wounds in the coming days and weeks and who is not. And for those of us left, we can know that the chain has in the end sided on property rights, and defended it from ALL sides.
Please don't allow these squabbles to disenchant you to the treasures that are being uncovered as the dirt has been flying.
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This post really shows who you are.
When you show your strengths, then people will know your weaknesses.
You are Unique One here at Blurt Love from Pakistan
I tend to steer clear of politics especially on things like this, I leave it to people I respect to steer the 'hive'. I also have steered clear of those posts that use VTS purely because they seem to be low value posts anyway. I suspect that's why they use them. I wouldn't interfere with their use tho, up to them.
Please don't leave blurt tho. I would miss you. 😭
Thank you. Sadly it appears the "game" is still being played.
Also, keep in touch with Blurtconnect-ng family on Telegram and Whatsapp
I would like to request everyone not to politicize all these platforms. Politics is a very bad thing. Due to politics, small users may not be able to reach their destination. I think it's very important for all users to come together. It feels good to move forward together without any discrimination.
Thanks everyone.
Unfortunately it is unrealistic to believe that one can escape politics where groups begin forming. There is a natural diversity of thought and desire among people, vast differences of opinions shaped by our experiences and needs. It is through such differences that politics evolved. Sometimes in a bit to find a bridge across the difference, sadly more often as a chasm schemers will exploit to gain power at the expense of the opposing sides.
The best one can hope to achieve is in understanding ones own motivations and when it is crucial one engage or not.
But despite that, there is a truth I heard long ago that goes something like this.
You might not be interested in politics, but they will be interested in you. Doesn't matter whether one is small or large, there will still be an interest in you.
Yes brother, I believe that the political party is good. But those who take advantage of this political party are somehow misled.
I'm glad to know that you support all the big and small users. May Allah keep all of you well. Prayers remain for all.
What foundation? Is there one?
I believe there is, yes. It doesn't have to mean the narrow legal definition of one as some have tried boxing them into.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foundation
I believe the above definitions fit the founders of Blurt.
I’ve been reading comments claiming it’s just one or two people,not correct?
My understanding is there are three founders, and as time has passed they have hired others such as saboin, tekraze, rycharde, offgridlife, angelica7 and perhaps more I'm unaware of than these to help with the work they do.
Since the recent events of tension have come about they seem to be going by Blurt core now, but I've always thought of them as the Foundation so not sure I'll be able to break that mindset.
offgridlife , a guy who downvoted a friend of mine on Hive for having different opinion then him on Ukraine war. He even called me a Putin puppet for suggesting peace talks instead of full troop load being sent from NATO. Wow I don’t feel good about this at all.
@world-travel-pro , I’m starting to think this place is doomed.,,,