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michelangelo3 in blurt • 3 years ago

So, a manual VTS is when people do vote for each other manually irrespective of the content. And this is happening.

I agree, however your graph is misleading as it only counts the number of votes and not the weight.

But true, for friends I have known for years and who have spent a lot of energy on Blurt, I vote partly regardless of the content. Especially when someone has helped me repeatedly. There is a big difference between manual and automated VTS. An automated VTS does not vote out of gratitude, he knows no feelings.

but because they know, as more tools will come, more of these practices will be discovered

You are completely wrong about that. In fact, I would very much welcome the development of tools to analyse abuse. And I think I am also speaking in the spirit of the "double-u gang" when I say that. My outgoing vote counter is one of them.

If you think I am wrong

Yes, in my opinion you are wrong on some points, especially about the intentions of double-u.

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megadrive · 3 years ago ·

I agree, however your graph is misleading as it only counts the number of votes and not the weight.

Please read the post again, there is a gist link with the weights, you can see 100% from the kingpin, yours luckily are 25%

ote_from='double-u' vote_to='ozelot47' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='double-u' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='double-u' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='double-u' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='double-u' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='double-u' weight=100%
vote_from='double-u' vote_to='ozelot47' weight=100%

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michelangelo3 · 3 years ago ·

yours luckily are 25%

Oh no, I also gave 100% votes, for example

to @elkezaksek because I find her Uganda project exceedingly good. A bright spot in this dark time.
to @nerdtopiade and @dotwin1981 because without them I would never have gotten a RasPi up and running, they are incredibly helpful. And both have an RPC server running for Blurt. I could write more, but that should be enough.

Overall, 23.9% VP of my last 500 votes went to "double-u gang", is it wrong to support friends?

I have read more carefully:

So, whenever they speak against development, they just don't speak because development is bad, but because they know, as more tools will come, more of these practices will be discovered and vote shares are disbursed.

That is a serious accusation. Can you or @tekraze, please give a concrete example of the developments you are referring to here.

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lichtblick · 3 years ago · (edited)

So exhausting this topic.
Everybody should be able to do/ vote with his stack whatever he/she/ it wants.

To me it lookslike the full " divide and conquer " game which makes it harder to be together successful.

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megadrive · 3 years ago ·

@tekraze can elaborate on this, one I can remember is the puke post about the Coal list which was only activated to help calm the situation where delegation feature removal was being asked for, also recall the one where we blocked delegation to VTS on the wallet and that also wasn't good enough, but @tekraze was in the middle of most of it and can elaborate.

Again I don't mind people supporting friends, but don't brandish others for doing the same, there is no difference between a manual and automatic VTS in terms of ethos of excluding the greater community. #IDUVTS is branding people and really not nice, so if you have a purist opinion on something please ensure you are living up to it.

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nerdtopiade · 3 years ago ·

Yeah we brand our self with this nobody else is branded . And everybody is free to use it or not.
And wasn't it your opinion Ricardo that everyone should do with his stake what he wants and vote if he wants ?
If we decide to vote people who support VTS less or not at all then that's our business, your own opinion!
And yes I vote my friends more just for the reason that I decided to stay in my own little bubble.
And maybe you don't realize what bubble means in social media, that means to have your own small or big community.

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dotwin1981 · 3 years ago ·

We never wanted to remove the delegations feature, we would have just accepted that as a "lesser evil" to get rid of VTS. You were the only one who called delegations (and I quote) "my fault".

Blocking the ability to delegate to VTS was a good move, but unfortunately too easily circumvented.

Then we had to start helping ourselves as we were left in the lurch by the developer side. The FREE #TAG IDUVTS in the profile and scripts filtering for it was our only way to see who also doesn't tolerate and use VTS to include those users in our Private Bubble.

We are not branding people to be something "evil" or to use, people are showing the flag to show that they do not tolerate everything that harms the whole community.

Because it is a huge difference if you vote in your personal bubble or if you give your whole vote power to a collective without knowing which garbage is voted with it.

We reward people who support our cause, but don't discriminate against those who don't.

But now that you sanction everyone with [ IDUVTS ] you are much better than us!

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tekraze · 3 years ago ·

Well, I am saying this again, I already closed this topic and I would not talk again on the development part.
As I do for the community and not a few people, I am not answerable here.

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tekraze · 3 years ago ·

Thanks for saying I was wrong.

You are completely wrong about that. In fact, I would very much welcome the development of tools to analyze abuse. And I think I am also speaking in the spirit of the "double-u gang" when I say that. My outgoing vote counter is one of them.

So with your vote counter, I am surprised, I am the only one interacting with more accounts.

https://steem.uber.space/blurt/outgoing-votes/?Acc=tekraze&Anzahl=1000

But true, for friends I have known for years and who have spent a lot of energy on Blurt, I vote partly regardless of the content. Especially when someone has helped me repeatedly. There is a big difference between manual and automated VTS. An automated VTS does not vote out of gratitude, he knows no feelings.

It's not just about feelings, it's about economics, as always the same thing has been raised the VTS can harm economic value, and the voting ring also have economic value. Don't try to act smart and mix both two.
This issue has been long, the problem starts with one thing, and becomes a completely different thing when people add their own versions to that.

So, if one thing is wrong, then another thing is also wrong.

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michelangelo3 · 3 years ago ·

becomes a completely different thing when people add their own versions to that.

Oh yes, and I'm afraid that's exactly what we're experiencing now.

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tekraze · 3 years ago ·

This is what I am experiencing from 3 months now

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