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You are welcome to share, Blurt is a place you can speak, however you did leak a private witness chat, that’s quite serious (Jacob agrees). All of this wouldn’t even have seen the light and discussed away internally if it wasn’t for that. Sometimes people say heated stuff in private because people are being jerks on chain.
I do not agree. In my opinion, the conversations of witnesses should be publicly available (read-only). These are people who represent their constituents, and their constituents should have the right to control the witnesses.
I realise that there will probably be a super secret group for witness interviews anyway.
This is the only thing that has destroyed Steem / Hive in my opinion. Witnesses didn't give a shit about the people because they were counting on the brass. They said publicly one thing, privately another.
I have no demands, I have some proposals and ideas.
I agree.
If a person wants to look good in public, but say not nice things in private is not a person i want to make decisons over matters that affects us all. . . (there is a word for them btw . . .)
I do agree though that certian security matters, as he says, should not be shared with anybody, thats fine.
But when discussing the public. . .be transparent!!!
I can confirm this as I was invited to a super private chat back on steemit chat. It was defo cause I was a girl and a guy called Kye or something invited me, he by the way was fine . I saw what makes up a decent part of now ocd in there and their behaviour was disgusting. In public they would pretend to help newbies who joined the chat and in private they would laugh at people, and pick people at random to nuke to zero for fun whilst laughing about it. They chased so many new members off that platform who never even got a chance to get started. For disagreeing with them I got kicked out and put in a private chat group where they would just say rly nasty things about me and mute me so I couldn’t engage. I mean that doesn’t bother me it’s the fact that they can downvote you to rep 0 and 0 earnings that’s the issue here. They did it to people for fun and just took the piss out of people behind closed doors. If I spoke out about this no one believed me at the time years ago.... I bet people believe it now. There are not many witnesses from that time as hardly anyone was in the private group, just most of now ocd and the people they nuked tended to just leave. They ended up obviously falling out wifh each other eventually and having two chat rooms then the whole of steemit chat died off at some point and became discord. I’m very wary of these private groups I wish more talk was out in the open for sure. I appreciated seeing Jacob and megadrive somewhat disagreeing publicly because it felt real and it felt transparent. I think the whole point of blockchain is that it is supposed to be more transparent. That does mean what you say is there forever though so we also need to learn to be more forgiving that people say things in the moment they later don’t mean.
Thanks for that info about ocd. They were incredibly nasty to me multiple times on Hive. If you don't suck up to them, they dislike you. They appear to have some political ideologies that don't mix with mine, also. And they love to support certain people when it suits them, to make a point even, or to profit themselves. And deny support to those that don't play the game their way. They are powerhungry and a menace to the blockchain.
this was back in 2017 I was a total newbie and it affected my entire time on steemit, I was never really that positive after that and was always kind of half off and half on and didn't trust it at all. Even worse if I told anyone they just suggested I was being over dramatic or just basically assumed I was making it up. I think these people have become far more brazen now and more and more ppl actually believe me now and I can speak about it. I did actually live in fear of speaking out on it for years beyond the odd person and it seems crazy to me now as now I just don't give a flying F about talking about it but I guess I was still attached in some way to the way they try and get their worker drones on the keep your head down and we might just not downvote you to oblivion mentality. I guess I was just attached to the fact I was getting good payouts and had spent years building communities and contacts, essentially like building a business and speaking out or defending people basically destroys that part of your business. I didn't realise back then though how deeply ingrained this was, like I knew they had much bigger upvotes than me etc and I tried to just keep my head down for years and not come on their radar, but then more recently they all popped up again and I saw just how dark and incidous and deeply engrained it was, that it wasn't just me that had no chance, it was essentially anybody or even a group of people had nothing on them, they essentially had control of the entire voice of the platform through fear of their collective downvotes and people wanting the money they had worked so hard for, it feel almost like it was planned that way to get people comfy first then hit them so by leaving or challenging it they have a lot to lose. Steevc once said to me not many ppl complain on hive, lol of course they don't i's like 1984 if you complain your nuked, I think it goes without saying you either shut up and pretend it's ok, turn a blind eye and try and pretend you don't see it happening to other people so you can sleep at night or you leave. There isn't really a complain about it option, which we do at least have on blurt, we can still speak about things we don't like here without getting nuked into oblivion and for that I am still grateful even though there have been some less than great things happening lately it does feel like we can make change and create change here as a community. On hive I stood up for a few people in arguments, not even much, nothing like I do on blurt and I got downvoted as punishment, I was allowed around 80 dollar payouts but anything more than that, even though I put years in at a few dollars would get 'over rewarded' and downvoted even though they were all allowed to earn over a hundred for bullshit posts or screen shots off twitter. I had that loser mr boom downvoting me cause I posted on steemit, yet I bet they don't dare touch acidyo who farms on there all the damn time... of course they don't. I was actually just really miserable on there towards the end, I got no enjoyment I would just try and post and log off, if you ever got a good payout and were like wow awesome then you literally would have to sit there wondering if it would make it to day 7 and especially on day 6 as you know thats the day they are going to strike, because it's far more fun for them to strike on day 6 or 7 than it is day 1 lol. It honestly became such a negative energy and I really didn't even realise how much it was affecting me on there until I left, it's like living in constant fear that if you say anything wrong or speak up you will essentially lose all potential income you just spent hours working on that week. It is probably the most toxic thing I have ever been involved in in my life, I really wish I had pulled the plug on it way earlier but it's kind of addictive to just think I can just go on post, come off and not engage at all etc but even then it gets too annoying. I ended up having to sabotage it to make myself never go back and it worked as I have not even logged in there at all for about 7 months and I feel infinitely better. I would never ever go back on that site as long as it has the structure that it does.
Definitely something sinister going on. What we know is that they are evil plotting scumbags who will do whatever they can to make easy money and stay in control. What we don't know is how deep it goes. I bet it goes all the way to the core. I bet there was/is a conspiracy to use the hard fork process to capture the freedom-loving people of the world on Hive, and destroy them there, like happened to me, you, and thousands more. A plan by some of the blockchain elites, you could say. Organized off chain, where they think they are totally safe and their scheming will never be discovered. But even that will some day become known to very intelligent machines scouring the internet and analyzing everything from every possible angle. Any action will eventually be known, and potentially judged/punished. Who will control that process? That remains to be seen. Hopefully it is the people, not the current powers that be. As technology becomes more powerful eventually we will be able to catch every cyber criminal, calculate every instance of gaslighting, and financial terrorism, and fraud, etc. The cheating bullying lying bastards will not get away with it forever. But yeah, great comment, your experience really matches mine and I identify with how you felt and feel. I know that I was only accepted when I was bringing in new investment by putting out great content. I was tolerated. But once I finally had a good bunch of grassroots curation support, and decided to make my very first powerdown, they nailed me. They pretended @MediKatie and I were farming money off the platform and hurting the community, along with other "crimes". None of it was true. Did we vote for each other's posts and comments, yes, but not unfairly whatsoever. I would tend to give her 1 or 2 votes a day, myself 1 or 2 votes a day, and everything else went to manual curation of other people's content. They couldn't get us for anything else, so they pretended we had self voted too much. Bullshit. If we had, it sure didn't work! Were we making millions like they were? Nope, barely pennies per day. We were just grinding from zero like most other non-insiders. Always told we could someday withdraw and begin to profit.... but once that day came we were denied. You know, I put in more than 4 years of fulltime work on Steem/Hive, not to mention a lot of time and effort spent by my wife, and our team of canna-models the @GirlsofGreen. All to create content for the blockchain, original and high quality stuff that people want to see. And yet we never got the support of the big curators, who prefer curating each other, and themselves, and lucrative chosen projects. We had to get tiny votes from minnows, day by day, putting out piles of amazing content just to equal the payout of one of their single-image meme posts. YEARS of sacrifice, and I invested 0.2 BTC to power up our accounts. That was always welcome. But to ever withdraw funds, that's not allowed. They suddenly decide you are abusing the system and can't be allowed any further payouts. And you will be downvoted toward full censorship if you continue. I was actually told "if you struggle it will only feel worse", like rapists say to victims. Totally sick fuckers. They delight in intimidating, controlling, abusing, and harming others. Censorists, liars, blockchain terrorists, nonconsentual sadists of the worst kind. A disgusting cabal of damned souls, most of whom are unable to stop what they're doing or become ripped apart by their fellow devils.
I absolutely could have just sucked up, laughed at them nuking newbies and probably been very rich by now though lol
Yeah but you're smart and wise, not just another pretty face. And you have integrity too. So that was a possibility but then again not really! Glad to have you on the good team.
sometimes having integrity sucks a bit for the wallet right lol almost all my issues on hive came from standing up for people that I saw getting treated badly and not joining in with nuking newbies, just as I stand up for things I feel are unjust here. I feel you on it though it doesn't always pay but hey at least we know we always acted with integrity in life. <3 I would love for blurt to do well and all those who actually had the balls to stand up and walk away form something like that could get some reward.
The good guys need a win! It would be very nice to see.
I hope I wasn't there because I was in OCD (but on Discord). The project was done for the public. You had to find a good entry, read it, summarize it, and the article got a lot of money.
I was doing it for a community that now doesn't want me and is aggressive about it. Fortunately, some people have moved on to Blurt.
It wasn’t in discord it was in steemit chat and was ran by someone called illuminate something. At the time I didn’t even connect dots with that name. In it was several members from now ocd. It was nothing to do with curating posts that I saw just laughing at people and choosing new members from the general chat to nuke to 0 for shits and giggles. They did always find a reason tho to have an excuse back in the day, these days they are more brazen and don’t even need an excuse. So for example they would decide to nuke someone and then search their account and maybe find they had used a photo from the internet. These people wefe new to steem and rather than explain how they could properly source images for their text they just used it as the excuse to take the whole account to 0. These ppl now are mostly the face of ocd. Notice there is a specific circle that never gets downvoted or considered ‘ over valued’ they are all the guys from that original chat group.
It used to make me laugh when ocd upvoted me as I know they had people curating for them and I think they couldn’t do much lol
I also think we have to accept people say all kinds of things to their friends that are a joke, can be taken out of context etc. There are multiple ways to see things. I guess most of us here are debating over the Blockchain, our words are here forever and in 5 months we might not even know why we wrote certain things or even in 10 minutes. I think we need to be tolerant with a system like this that everyone is growing day by day.
Some security matters can’t be open to the public and need to be patched/addresses before being made widely known. This is standard practice on all chains, Cosmos and others, not just Hive and Steem.
Even so if you still believe they should be open then lobby for it to be so, don’t do something morally questionable like leaking private stuff, I really didn’t like seeing the other witnesses screenshotted, I have less taste for that than even seeing myself be screenshotted.
Hillary Clinton didn't like her yoga emails out there either. Because THEY WERE MORALLY QUESTIONABLE TOO.
how weird 😶
LOL that made me giggle.
do not treat adult people and investors who have invested their money here as children. Secrecy is the main cancer that eats EVERY endeavor. Behind closed doors most often unworthy things happen because usually everyone wants to brag about those worthy. Wittnesses are here to deal with the technical side of blockchain, usual people make him live and investors to finance this project. no one here is in a worse or better position and there is no such thing as "important wittnesses matters" everyone has right to know whats going on in witness conversation because we voting on you and give you our trust and funds.
Especialy that we have situation whre one person can without consltations freezing someon's account if he want to. this is huge lack of seriurity!
@fervi
Somethings can't be shared while they are still being discussed and leaking them out can be dangerous as it can be taken in any context.
Witness chat must be private because we are discussing important stuff.
P.S: A human can think whatever they wish to, good or bad because they have their thoughts and inner voice... Blurt Witness Discord is the inner voice of the witness team.
Yes, Imran, but then it should be that all those private chats are about things that help the community. . . Gossiping about potential bullies are hardly helping. . .
All sorts of things go inside our brains. Not everything is pleasent for others. We must and should be judged by our actions.
What do you mean by this statement, my friend?
Is it regarding juding thise who are claimed to be bullies. . .?
Judging everybody?
Judging ourselves?
Who are we judging?!?!?!
I judge a lot. . . I do, BUT I dont stick to my judgement. I acknowledge my judgement, but i also give the person/situation the chance to prove me wrong! As we all make mistakes. . .and we all deserve to be allowed to do that and then being forgiven (even the geminis 😅😂🤣)
Forgiving a lot here need to learn. Not only from one side.
agreed. . .
"Somethings can't be shared while they are still being discussed and leaking them out can be dangerous as it can be taken in any context."
That's why it should ALL be public, so nothing can be taken out of context.
do not treat adult people and investors who have invested their money here as children. Secrecy is the main cancer that eats EVERY endeavor. behind closed doors most often unworthy things happen because usually everyone wants to brag about those worthy. Wittnesses are here to deal with the technical side of blockchain, usual people make him live and and investors to finance this project. no one here is in a worse or better position and there is no such thing as "important wittnesses matters"
Happy to hear your proposals and ideas
Huuuu, I don't know if I understand this correctly! So the witnesses are not allowed to give out anything concerning the platform and its users if they feel they are being run over by the members of the Foundation ?
The Witnesses have the function to run NODES and keep the Chain running, they are not serfs of the Founders or the Foundation, they are also elected by the users, not only (and here we are at the dark core of the story) because there are still those unfair power distorting VOTES of the Foundation.
Again, it's not a company or have I missed something?
In a company, someone can have a voting majority from the beginning, but even that is not set in stone, and here in a community, there is clearly an abuse of power when these stakes still vote, they do not represent the quorum but only secure an instrument of power for the current rulers.
And I doubt quite openly that Jakob said or meant this, I read it differently, sorry, but we can talk about it, but I am not alone with this opinion ;)
even the supreme court leaks
obviously the information was "of grave concern" to "the community"